Bike Lanes on Lansdowne Ave. North of Bloor?

Hey,

Just wondering if anyone's heard any updates on when the bike lanes (on Lansdowne Ave. North of Bloor) will be installed?

I've called Adam Giambrone's office a couple times, and been told that they should be in by September 31st.

Its pretty frustrating because they were supposed to have gone in last year, then they were pushed back to this summer, and now pushed back again until Fall.

Do you think they might be able to reneg on these and not put them in at all?

Thanks for any updates.

-Dietrich

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Cyclist struck by taxi dies

Cyclist struck by taxi dies

The safety of our streets is clearly a function of our own decision making. Every year the population density of the city is rising. We are not making accommodations to increase the capacity of our transportation system. Pressure is rising
on our streets, we are all in danger. But bike couriers are on the front line. Even when I do ride, it is far easier for me to play it safe if I am not feeling 100%. Even if the cyclist did make a mistake we still need to ask questions about our roads and our safety.

Ward 18 Cycling

Hi,

Having read the comments regarding the Lansdowne bike lanes, hearing/reading about the questionable status of the Dupont bike lanes, and knowing that a portion of Bloor (from Lansdowne to Bathurst) is slated to be resurfaced next spring, this would be a great opportunity to rally Ward 18 cyclists, pro-cycling businesses and residents to push for improved cycling infrastructure in this area. Given that over 65 new ring/posts have been installed, that BIXI has been inquired about and possible new development in Ward 18 - does it not stand to reason to push forward, and not backward as has already happened with the removal of bike lanes on Birchmount, Pharmacy, and soon Jarvis?

Although I don't live in the area, I've learned that Ward 18 has a very high percentage of cyclists so the strength in numbers is already there to pressure you local councillor to support on street cycling infrastructure.

Peter

bike lane put on hold

I just got a very disappointing update from Toronto Cycling infrastructure:

"...Thank you for your continued interest in this matter, and your patience. However, at the present time the installation of the bicycle lanes approved for Lansdowne Avenue from Bloor Street to Dupont Street is on-hold pending further consultation with the local community and the Councillor's office..."

This confirms that councilor Bailao's office is trying to remove the already approved bike lane. Hopefully, we can get some media attention surrounding this issue.

Ubisoft's position

I've asked Ubisoft to comment on whether they think the bike lane would be a beneficial addition to the community. I knonw that may of Ubisoft's employees bike to work everyday. I'll post more information when I get it.

If anyone has any further information regarding the Lansdowne bike lane, please share.

Boy, interesting!!! Maybe Ana should answer the post

Dietrich, I forward your post to Ana's office to get her perspective.
This is very interesting. Is she or isn't she against bike lanes, only she can answer this. The councillor who I think is very community focus, helped secure money for the Library and is supporting most or all the other projects in the hood.

But community consultation is the right thing. Before any Bike lanes go in the people(residents) most effected by the narrowing of the street, loosing parking space, traffic, pollution(CO2) and idling of cars. I feel those residents should have some input. I know the people of Dupont didn't get that chance.

Ana I believe just wants to make sure that, IF the bike lanes do go in the community is aware of the + & - of it all and should have their voices heard. Now nothing wrong with that, is it???? JF

Hi Jack, Ana is against the

Hi Jack,

Ana is against the bike lanes. She told me specifically because Ubisoft was moving in and we were going to lose 76 parking spaces that they would likely need.

The community consultation was already done before the approval for the bike lane was secured. The bike lane was supposed to go in back in 2007.

I bought my house on Lansdowne Ave. because I thought the bike lane was going in, and I fully support and believe that the bike lane is a great thing for our community.

Lansdowne public meeting, March 25 2010

For what it's worth, there was a public meeting on Thursday March 25, 2010 at Wallace-Emerson (link), with flyers delivered to the directly affected areas on Lansdowne and nearby streets. [Lansdowne Ave. bike lanes were also approved as part of the City of Toronto Bike Plan in 2001 when Mario Silva was in office]. I remember that it was quite well attended by the community, with staff from a few City departments, Giambrone (and some of his staff), and Ana was there too. I would say that most of the people in attendance were supportive of the bike lanes, though there were a few detractors, and some people who were supportive still had minor issues with the design.

The biggest issue that seemed to bother people was the loss of parking spaces. I don't think traffic congestion / pollution was much of a concern because traffic lanes were not being reduced.

It was pretty much attended for those in favour

I remember speaking to David few years back about a few things. One of a few concerns residents had who live along the suggested street for the Bike Lanes who are from Portuguese and Vietnamese back ground wished they would of known about the meeting, many didn't know. I hope the coming meeting the Flyer can made in different languages and not, english only.

One of the other concerns the home owners/tax payers had they would of liked to have the meeting closer to lansdowne instead of the rec centre. Their are now other choices for a meeting on lansdowne. Yes loosing parking spots was a concern and also the other issues I mentioned in my last post.

Vic had mentioned that issues like Pollution co2, traffic, idling was not mentioned, because many of those in attendance were in favour of Bike Lanes these issues would not be mention or talk about it. Does not mean residents who live on the suggested street are not concern.

Their is a lot of hype about clean train and pollution from diesel which may be a future problem, but we have an current problem and that is pollution CO2 from idling cars, which are as harmful. JF

Diesel far worse

Just to set the record straight; car exhaust is not as toxic as diesel, it's not even close.

All bad for the Environment, Children & the Vulnerable

Either way all bad for the Environment, Children and the Vulnerable. However found an article which talks about this very subject:

Diesel Versus Gasoline: Which Is Best For The Climate?
More and more Norwegian cars have diesel engines. Whether these are actually more climate-friendly than gasoline-driven cars depends on which time perspective one emphasizes.

Av Marianne Tronstad Lund

In recent years, the proportion of diesel cars on Norwegian roads has increased. In 2007, 74 percent of new passenger cars had diesel engines, compared to only 48 percent in 2006, according to figures from the Norwegian Road Traffic Information Council (OFV). New tax policies favor diesel cars more and may further stimulate an increase in their proportion. However, it is debatable whether favoring diesel cars is good environmental policy.

A new study at CICERO compares gasoline and diesel engines for the same category of passenger cars within a climate perspective. In the study, the climate effects of the various components in the emissions are calculated so that net climate effects are compared over time. Knowledge gained from this is important in assessing the extent to which substituting gasoline with diesel is helpful in reducing global warming.

Both gasoline and diesel give a net climate warming effect. The study shows that diesel causes more warming than gasoline in the first decade after emission into the atmosphere, while gasoline causes most warming after that period. Which is best depends on your time perspective and what you want to achieve. If you emphasize short-term climate changes or the rate of warming, diesel comes out worse. On the other hand, when the emphasis is on more long-term climate changes, diesel clearly comes out best due to lower CO2 emissions per kilometer driven.
Less CO2 with diesel
The reason for the difference between diesel and gasoline is in the composition of their emissions. We know from before that passenger cars with diesel engines emit, depending on their condition, about 20 percent less of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) per kilometer than the same car type with gasoline engines. However, besides CO2, the exhaust contains a number of other components such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and particles. With the exception of CO, emissions of these components are generally higher from diesel cars, and lead to lower air quality and negative health effects.

But the particles CO and NOx also have important climate effects. The emission of NOx not only contributes to the formation of ozone that has a climate warming effect, but it also reduces the amount of the greenhouse gas methane, which results in a cooling effect. Soot particles from diesel engines absorb solar radiation and cause warming.

The climate effects of the various components work on very different time scales. While CO2 gives a long-term warming effect over several centuries, soot particles and NOx give an intense but short-term warming effect over circa one decade. Warming from diesel, with its higher emissions of the latter components, will therefore be intense right away. On the other hand, with a time perspective of more than 10-15 years where warming from CO2 dominates, gasoline causes greater warming.

New emissions requirements
The study also examines the effect of new requirements for emissions that will be introduced starting from 2009. These stricter emissions requirements will lead to reduced warming, particularly from diesel, and especially during the first few years.

Emissions from road traffic are regulated in the EU by the so-called Euro requirements. These were first introduced in 1993 and have been tightened several times. With the current requirements (Euro 4), higher emissions of NOx and particles are permitted from diesel cars than from gasoline cars. However, this will change with the new requirements (Euro 5) starting from 2009. Emissions requirements of NOx and particles will be tightened, resulting in cleaner diesel cars. Work is also in progress for further tightening of the requirements in 2014 and this will equalize these emissions from diesel and gasoline cars to an even greater extent.

CO2 will become more dominant
CO2 is, however, not included in the Euro requirements but regulated within the EU and EEA region by setting requirements for average CO2 emissions for all new vehicles from each individual manufacturer. With a tightening of requirements for NOx and particles emissions, it is the short, intense warming effect from diesel that will be reduced the most. CO2 will then dominate warming to an even greater extent. As a result, with Euro 5, gasoline is expected to cause more warming than diesel after only 5 years. Because it is the short-lived components that are affected, the regulations will mainly have an effect on warming during the first 10 to 15 years.

Because of the different compositions of emissions and many different climate effects on different time-scales, comparing diesel and gasoline is not straight forward. In addition, the effects on air quality and health have to be taken into consideration. This autumn, the Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT) released a report in which the environmental costs of CO2 emissions are compared with the health-care costs related to air pollution. With the new Euro 5 requirements, the main conclusion is that emissions from new diesel cars give lower net climate, environmental, and health-care costs than emissions from new gasoline cars. However, the climate effects of NOx, CO, VOC and soot particles are not analyzed in the report.
Sources
www.sft.no
www.ssb.no
www.ofv.no
Ingrid Strømme, et al, Miljø- og helsekonsekvenser av utslipp fra bensin- og dieselkjøretøy [Environmental and health consequences of emissions from gasoline and diesel vehicles]. 2008, Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT)
Terje Berntsen, Jan S. Fuglestvedt, and Kristin Rypdal, Climate effects of passenger cars: gasoline versus diesel (in prep.). 2008.

....and so the BEST policy is

....and so the BEST policy is to leave your car behind and TTC, walk, or ride and push for electric trains which are a greener and smarter transportation choice. Idling cars pollute, and so do ones in motion.

Amen!

I totally agree. Create a safe network of bike paths and people will feel more confident riding.

There was an article in the Washington Post recently that more bike lanes do equal more cyclists.

I'm not surprised to hear that Ana's office has possibly delayed or cancelled these bike lanes from going in. She voted against removing the Jarvis lanes but in favour of removing the Pharmacy and Birchmount lanes if I recall correctly.

I typically avoid going up Lansdowne to Wallace once I reach Bloor as the road is in really rough shape. The buses and jaywalking pedestrians add to the danger of biking along this stretch of road. It's pretty much impossible to ride out of the door zone without being in the left hand lane.

I would really like to see the lanes installed but I think Symington is a safe alternative for now. The road is very wide, pretty smooth and it connects to the Davenport bike lane. Google Maps even has it listed a "bicycle friendly road."

Area streets no longer suggested routes

To follow up my previous post... Despite Google showing Symington as a bike friendly route, the city of Toronto has removed that designation from Sterling and Symington now.

http://bikelanediary.blogspot.ca/2012/04/spot-dfference.html

Sterling

The thing about Sterling is I dont understand how it was ever considered a bike route as A) it is one way and B) it is very narrow and C) if you are commuting then Railpath gets you to Dundas faster.

I suspect that behind the scenes some people are thinking that Railpath can take the place of Sterling especially given that Castlepoint will create at least 2 new good access points and Tom Fallus might provide one at Bloor (If he ever builds anything there!). Depending on what Metrolinx and the Official Plan folks say, Castlepoint might be able to create even more access via Dublin Avenue (although that is a long shot at best). Railpath south of Bloor is on the Mayors priority list for expansion so at least we know that the RP south will happen.

I wanted to add that too many cars cause congestion. There are bike lanes on Annette and zero congestion. There are no bike lanes on Bloor in JT and its is congested. There is no magic idea that gets rid of congestion; it is part of urban life in every city on earth and finally people decide that good public transit options are better than wasting your time stuck in traffic. As I said before cars pollute when they are moving too so all the talk about idling is somewhat moot.

Lansdowne is already congested

I live on Lansdowne and ride a bike, and I personally would not like to see bike lanes on this portion of Lansdowne. It is a busy stretch of road, and all bike lanes are going to do is impede traffic more, and increase idling cars in front of my house creating pollution and noise. I would rather ride my bike along the railpath for this stretch and be able to have my windows open and kids playing on the front yard. This road as no rush hour parking on the busy sides of the street for a reason, there are a lot people using this road, and I really don't want the street reduced and stop and go traffic in front of my house. Who are the bike lanes really benefiting? There are alternate bike friendly routes less than a block away (railpath going south and Davenport going east). Not worth it.

While idling is not great,

While idling is not great, any incremental idling, if there actually is any, on Lansdowne, represents only a tiny, tiny, portion of emissions in the city.. Fast moving traffic, especially going uphill, emits more GHG's than slow moving traffic, so emissions might even be reduced on Lansdowne.

The congestion on Lansdowne, by regulating the flow of traffic, may actually cause traffic to move more smoothly on other streets connected to it. As well, it is only for a few blocks. If even a few people switch to cycling, this will reduce emissions by more than any amount that might be caused by increased idling.

99.999% of congestion, idling and emissions are caused by too much driving.

Railpath 2 Included in New Bike Plan

The new Bike Lane Staff Report on page 20 lists Railpath Stage 2 as a construction Priority.

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2011/pw/bgrd/backgroundfile-38906.pdf

Lansdowne not included in latest update

In the "Bikeway Network - 2011 Update" that was published by The City today, there's no mention of the already-approved Lansdowne Ave. bike lane (Bloor to Dupont).
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2011/pw/bgrd/backgroundfile-38906.pdf

However, there's discussion of shortening the Dupont bike lane:

Approve modifications to the bicycle lanes on Dupont Street at the approach to the
intersection with Lansdowne Avenue, to move the beginning of bicycle lanes from a
point 30 metres east of Lansdowne Avenue to a point 70 metres west of Lansdowne
Avenue.

4.5 Modifications to the Dupont Street Bicycle Lanes at Lansdowne Avenue
(Ward 18)
Dupont Street, from Dundas Street West to Lansdowne Avenue, is a two-way arterial
roadway, which operates with one traffic lane and a bicycle lane in each direction. East of
Lansdowne Avenue, Dupont Street operates with two traffic lanes per direction. The T.T.C.
operates the 26-Dupont bus route on the street. The transition from four lanes to two lanes
occurs approximately 30 metres east of Lansdowne Avenue and has resulted in significant
delay to motor vehicle traffic on Dupont Street. Transportation staff have worked with the
Ward Councillor to review options for improving eastbound and westbound traffic flow at
the Dupont Street/Lansdowne Avenue intersection. Based on a review of the intersection
operation, Transportation staff have concluded the traffic flow could be improved by
maintaining two westbound and two eastbound traffic lanes approaching Lansdowne
Avenue and making the transition to a single lane plus bicycle lane west of the intersection.
Accordingly, Transportation Services recommends that the bicycle lane design be modified
so that the bicycle lane begins approximately 70 metres west of the intersection as illustrated
in Appendix 7. With this change both the eastbound and westbound approaches to
Lansdowne will operate with two traffic lanes in each direction, and the intersection will
return to the configuration that predated the installation of the bicycle lanes. Following
implementation of this change staff will continue to monitor the operation of Dupont Street
and the Lansdowne-Dupont intersection, in consultation with the Ward Councillor and the
community."

Summary: Ignore approved bike lane, shorten crossing bike lane so that it doesn't connect even if Lansdowne gets installed.

Lansdowne Intersection Drew Complaints

This east part of this intersection merges two car lanes into one in about 25 feet which is not a great idea. Its dangerous for everybody. At the first rail corridor lands meeting this issue came up a lot and people (cyclists and drivers) drew on the map commenting about it.In a perfect world the City would take back a few feet of sidewalk to create a dedicated left turn lane and the bike lane would stay put.

Status update

I spoke with staff at Councillor Bailão's office yesterday to try and get a status update on the Lansdowne north of Bloor bike lanes.

Here's what I've been able to determine so far:

1. Bailão's office initiated a meeting with City staff back in February 2011 to re-examine the issue of the Lansdowne bike lanes. Although the bike lanes were already approved, there now seems to be a "re-examination" underway to determine what impact the missing parking spaces will have.

2. Bailão's office is waiting for another update 3 months from now by city staff on how the bike lane will be implemented.

3. When I asked why there has been no discussion surrounding this issue in any of the quarterly newsletters, I was told that it was because they are waiting for updates from City staff.

4. I was told that 3 months from now the Councillor's office will begin querying the Ward, community and city about opinions/issues with the bike lanes.

I am very concerned about what efforts are being made to possibly overturn the already approved bike lanes. Whether or not these efforts are legitimate is one issue, but the lack of discussion and community involvement surrounding it I find alarming.

I am going to try and ramp up my efforts to raise awareness within our ward and City on the Lansdowne bike lanes. If anyone would like to lend a hand please post in this thread. I would like to get a web page going where we can post status updates and generally keep people informed of what's going on.

Hi, I'm happy to hear that

Hi,
I'm happy to hear that you're working on the Lansdowne bike lane issue - we should connect. I can put it out to the Ward 18 Bike Union folks to see if we can support any efforts/ ideas you are developing.
Kathy
kathyraddon@gmail.com

Happy to help

I cycle north on Lansdowne to work every day and would feel much safer if there was a bike lane - let me know how I can help!

Count me in

Thanks for all the followup.

Cheers,
Vic

Voice your support for bike lanes on Lansdowne Ave.

Hi,

I just got off the phone with Councillor Ana Bailão's office. I wanted to get an update on when and whether the bike lanes would still be going in on Lansdowne Ave. north of Bloor.

It turns out that if enough people call in to express their adversity to the bike lanes they may be able to overturn the approval and not put in the lanes.

I'm debating creating another seperate post about this in the main forums to make everyone aware of the situation.

I urge everyone who supports the bike lanes on Lansdowne to call in to Councillor Bailão's office and voice your support.

My personal opinion is that it would be shame to lose bike lanes that benefit everyone for the sake of saving 74 parking spaces in a soon to be overly congested area.

About Bike Lane Support

Ana's EA Justin appears not to be a big supporter of bike lanes http://tinyurl.com/4uenssh

But then he is her EA and Ana is the one who should call the shots. Good luck

I called in again and was

I called in again and was told that a meeting is being held in early Feb. to find out the status on the Lansdowne Bike lanes. Unfortunately, this is not a meeting that the public can attend, but I will keep a close eye on it yet.

Again, I would please urge everyone who is concerned for the livelihood of the Lansdowne Bike lanes to phone in and voice your opinion.

Thanks

I sent a letter of support...

I sent a letter of support on January 18th. Haven't heard back yet.

What does the future hold for Wallace and Lansdowne?

Nice article today on BlogTO about Wallace and Lansdowne:
http://www.blogto.com/city/2010/11/what_does_the_future_hold_for_wallace...

No mention of the bike lanes, but it's interesting to see and read about how this intersection has (and hasn't!) changed.

Ana Bailao Against Lansdowne Bike Lanes

In one of the many surveys completed by candidates during the election, Ana said she would NOT do the Lansdowne bike lanes, but was generally in favoure of others...

What Adam Giambrone says now ... and probably since his self-implosion last February... reallyu doesn't matter now.

lansdowne bike lanes, fuming

Wow, the audacity... they were fully approved. Now more cars and parking on Lansdowne, what a shame.

doesn't look like they're going to be put in

Wonder what happened... I thought they were supposed to be in for this year?

The Bike lanes are shown is

The Bike lanes are shown in recent city docs as saying they will be put in this fall.

Lansdowne bike lanes

The Lansdowne bike lanes are also mentioned in Adam Giambrone's newsletter that was delivered this week. I don't recall it specifying a date, but it said 2010...

no one's heard anything I

no one's heard anything I guess ?

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