Jack, you should know about "stupid comments" and sniping at the decent guy who voluntarily runs this site is not too smart either. Not to mention condoning vicious criminal activity, which is what you're little rally did, in addition to demonizing some poor animals that are just trying to survive. You have only ever been able to see things one way, and that's your way. In my experience you never listen to anyone, change your mind or even compromise - ever. As your lonely blue Conservative signs highlighted in the recent election, you're out of touch with this community.
Shelley & I would like to thank everyone who dropped by on Saturday & helped us celebrate our Fourth Birthday Party.
The Oyster Boy treats & Grey Goose went fast and we hope everyone had a good time.
We would also take this time to thank ALL of our customers old and new for your continued support. We live in a great little pocket of the city that has been largely forgotten until very recently. Welcome to all of the new residents of the "Triangle" and may you all come to Boo's and enjoy the neighbourhood's best patio!
I dont know what this post means but did Mr. Nguyen click any of the links on this page to access information or assistance BEFORE he started beating animals to death as is alleged?
Did you read the ample information provided or call them to find out what help was available BEFORE you started complaining that the Province and City don't do anything?
I followed the links and learned a whole about raccoon proofing ones house, dealing with raccoons, who to call, and what the law is regarding animals. I called the number and got somebody on the line right away who was able to answer questions about raccoons. The wealth of info on the site has been up from the first day the City got on the web. The provincial website has links and info too. The councillor's office and 311 would have directed people to this web page as a starting point.
It is sad that beating animals and or ranting on TV seems easier to people as an option than going to the City website or calling a councillor.
Renters pay taxes too, its included in their rent. They also pay all other taxes too.
Homeowners vs. renters. Jack Fava dividing people as always.
I live 2 blocks away and yes there are raccoons but hardly the hysteria that seems to follow all your rallies. One day you complain about the City being useless and interfering in our lives and the next you demand that the City patrol our backyards looking for raccoons and do something.
Beating animals to earth is cruel and a crime. Period.
Is this really about raccoons or is it about your bi-annual need to see your face on TV?
Most work quietly through proper channels and attend meetings and work with the Police and the City departments to create real change and improvement. Many locals devote countless never seen hours to the many committees and groups they support. On TV and in the SUN you are always beating your chest about being a community leader but I haven't seen you at a meeting in years. Locals have taken the time to appear at countless City department meetings and depositions; never seen you there supporting local business or citizens.
The only local group you belong to is the "Get Jack Fava on TV Society". In the internet age getting on TV is the easy part.
I especially liked last year when "Mr. Community" went on TV and you said you were scared to walk outside in our neighborhood. Thanks a lot for creating a false sense of fear in the hood and tarring the community. Odd thing to say since you are on the police community board and SHOULD know and PROMOTE accurate crime stats which show that crime continues to fall in our area. (I know as Inspector Lennox gave me the same stats that you have access to).
Jack the worst thing that could happen to you would be for the area to improve, and that what has been happening over the past say 10 years. Improvement and community involvement decreases the size of your soapbox and means your rallies have to get kookier and more outlandish to get the attention you crave.
So Jack what is the next issue you are going to exploit so you can get on TV?
Vic,
Forgot to add link. If you go to the 2nd page of his link, bottom right you will see an area that I find to be gray and needs to be clear from the government. Leaving for the interpetation of an individual or group can lead to more stories like Mr Nguyen.
Vic wrote: Awesome, Now raccoons are been equated with terroists. Check under your porches folks. You might find Al Queda.
Jack Fava responded:
Vic for a smart guy that was one stupid comment. Many like you who rent don't know what it is to dish out money to repairs done to their properties by raccoons we are talking about thousands of dollars. These tax paying home owning citizens of Toronto and canada have a voice and a right to get heard. This is the reason I got involved. Unless the 3 levels of government start to listen to these home owners they may hear more stories like My Nguyen. There are many home owners who are very upset.
Hey Vic, Yes this is Canada and you have a right to your opinion. But many of us don't understand what you comment has to do with what happend on Rankin. There are many issues involved in this case, I think you are looking at it from one side. I am trying to see from all sides, not going into details with you, but I meet with people from all sides, got it from all sides. But their are many silent victims as well they are called "home owners". The City and they other two levels of govenrment can do more that may not involve big money, but just keeping silent, afraid to say something to be politically correct or not trying to step on people toes is not want I want my government to do. They need to be clear there is a lot a gray area in this issue. JF
I was invited to say a few words on behalf of Railpath so I was there the entire night. The presentation was short and to the point and followed by an invitation for residents to look at maps that showed the corridor by category (service, bike, transit, roads etc). Residents were encouraged to talk among each other (which happened a lot) and then write their comments directly onto the maps.The exercise really was to hear what was on peoples minds and record it.I like this process beter than breakout groups as it tends to et more people crosstalking to each other.
Ana Bailao and Sarah Phipps from City Planning prefaced the entire evening as a process to get ahead of development and zoning to create a better community.I will post the link to the study and resident comments when it is updated by the 17th (after the next meeting).
Happy to say that Railpath, and especially Railpath along Perth south of Bloor generated a lot of interest.
Dont forget there is another meeting next monday and two walks which are listed in the calendar on this site.
I'm pleased to hear that the city has met with you and determined once and for all that you did, in fact, have permission to paint the south side mural. I'm also happy to hear that everyone has agreed that the City was hasty in the removal of the work and have determined that a change in procedure might be required here. To those people that thought Joel must have been confused or mistaken and repeatedly posted to that effect here, I do believe you might owe the man an apology...or at least a "way to go" for getting the whole mess sorted out in a reasonable fashion.
S**t does happen as they say, but when it eventually gets sorted out, it's nice to have that recognition. So, way to go Joel! I look forward to seeing more of your work decorating our hood in the future.
I met with Director of the Public Realm Elyse Parker and Councillor Anna Bailao on Saturday. First, Elyse Parker let us know that she had seen the paper work for the south side (the side removed), and that I had been paid to do the south side. Both she and Councillor Bailao felt the city had acted hastily in removing the mural. To be completely fair to the city, the finished mural did deviate from the drawings I had submitted, although I was in no way told that the I could not refine my design. We all felt there was a possibility for a teaching moment here, as I was told the city does not have a list of what murals are legal or paid for by the city. Elyse Parker made the excellent suggestion of the establishing of a data base of city sponsoured mural art.
Then to the sticky question of what is to happen to the wall. The city invited me to paint a mural there, paid me to do it and has now admitted that they made a mistake in removing it. It seems to me that a simple solution is to let me paint the mural back. But then enters the question does a mural about the integrity of of our free wheeling financial system cross the line into the realm of “political art”, an art form banned on city property I am told.
That question I will leave up to Councillor Bailao and Director of the Public Realm Elyse Parker, both of whom so far have been excellent to deal with, and very good natured. They have told me they will get back to me shortly about what is to happen to the wall.
If you have any opinions on this feel free to share them with the Councillor or with City Hall.
And once again I want to thank all of the people who have shown me so much support, it is truly humbling. Just four months ago I was almost dead, what a wild ride!!!
Thank you everyone, even those who have been angered by me and my mural, I love the passion.
I deal with the City almost every day of the year as a matter of fact including Transportation and Parks a lot. I also talk with people at the councillors office a few times a week. There was a change in councillor and their staff and sometimes the left hand does not know what the right is doing; that is not uncommon in a large organization and happens from time to time. Currently for example there is a lot of confusion about new procurement rules and that is holding a lot of projects up. But I also know from experience that the City produces a lot of documentation and notes for legal reasons and generally gets things right. When you get a permit for something you get a copy for yourself; I have some. Maybe people in Transportation never got a copy. Maybe Joel never got a check from one agency but never got a permit from another.
It seems people want a culprit to blame in this case or think there is some kind of conspiracy. Sometimes thing just get screwed up and there is nobody directly at fault.It happens. The important part is to learn from it and I think the councillors message is the right approach.
i wonder how an artist could "mistakenly" spend over 30 hours of their time and talent to paint a mural in the neighbourhood....over a year after they painted the first mural. or how an artist could have "mistakenly" told everyone he knew in the neighbourhood that he'd been asked to do another mural. or how an artist could have "mistakenly" received and cashed a cheque from the city of toronto. perhaps the assumption could be made that the city has misfiled or not yet found the appropriate documentation - i mean, seriously...have any of you dealt with the city before?
How many people have squabbled over the years about Rothko or Pollock and vowed that it is utter garbage, and then professed how their 2 year old could have done better? As Joel states, "In my mind good art is not always liked or even understood, but that is hardly reason to destroy it" And I concur, the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder and who are we to say otherwise? While some of you may not have cared for Joel's art work, so be it; it seems just as many enjoyed it. And I am by no means arguing that Joel's mural is better than Richard's, or Richard's is better than Joel's it is not the point, nor is it whether Joel's art work is political or not? I appreciate and I have great respect for all art, and anyone who knows me knows this to be true...
We have a city Councillor who cares greatly about our community and she was completely side stepped and she has been very active in trying to beautify Dupont Street and Carlton Park along with many other parts of our lovely community. Her team has been helping to write proposals and grants to help us make a safer place for our kids. It is not right what happened, and in the future I hope that paper work trials will be followed with a fine tooth comb so we don't ever have to hear again why ONE person made a phone call and somehow this was why the art work was removed so that all that remained was a mess all over the sidewalk. Two wrongs (if it is true what Richard said) do not make a right. The city did not act properly or responsibly.
My passionate comments were made, because I/we all know that this one statement would never have Ms. Parker released from her duties - it was simply to prove how ludicrous this all is. How is it possible that one phone call led to this? I’m sure Ms. Parker is a very lovely person as stated by her collegues, but if we don’t acknowledge when these things happen, they will continue to happen and this is a slippery slope – when we are gathering to improve Dupont Street and Carlton Park how can one turn around and waste money that could have been used for Garbage Bins, flower boxes or proper lighting – it is dark at night on Dupont. This is simply another step in the wrong direction. There is never a good enough excuse for wasting thousands of dollars that we all worked hard for....
Again, just to clarify. Joel had permission and a permit to paint the north face of the Dupont St. underpass the year before, not the south. Read Councillors Bailao's response. Cheers Everyone!
Where is the permit then? I keep hearing about documentation but I have yet to see or hear any. I think Joel may have been mistaken thinking that he was supposed to do both sides. There is nothing wrong with being mistaken. We all do it.
Joel did indeed have the support of the city in making this mural, Richard Mongiat. Unless you think a $2000 cheque magically appeared out of nowhere. Joel has documentation of this. I think people should be concerned that the city keeps such bad records. Joel's mural was excellent and did not need any assistance from any other artist. I hope Joel's mural goes right back up there as soon as possible.
Richard and Joel are both on the same side in the end so lets not create disagreement where none exists. This situation looks to me like a big mistake. Earlier I complained about Ms. Parker but upon further reading and talking with people I was wrong. Sometimes things are just a big srew up and I think this is such a case. Lets learn from it and keep the focus on encouraging a more colourful and creative hood.We are lucky that so many creative people are our neighbors.
Personal attacks will be removed or this thread will be closed if it just becomes name calling or unsubstantiated accusations. There have been some thoughtful posts on this topic and it would nice to see them continue.
you were in conversations with joel to help him "improve his design from a straight linear format to something more dynamic"?? this just smacks of passive aggression. isn't joel richardson a professional artist? unless he asked for your help, that sounds like a foggy way of saying you critiqued his work without invitation. which is all the more reason i agree with people on here that you were likely the complainer who took it to the city!
however, given that joel's mural is the talk of the town, i bet 'whoever' did it is kicking themselves as it did the opposite of what their intention clearly was: it showcased his work and turned him into an indie hero!
I'm looking forward to hearing the outcome of Joel's meeting with the city. A very curious situation indeed! But let's not pit our artists against each other. Sherlock, I for one am certain of Richard Mongiat's integrity (and his beautiful work). And I'm with Joel too -- it's great to be discussing art so passionately on our neighbourhood website! Joel, do you have a date for your meeting yet?
I meant no offense to Joel in my trying to calm down the the rhetoric around the removal of his mural but was just trying to bring some facts to the situation. I'm flattered that you think I am the culprit in having his mural removed but unfortunately, as I mentioned, I was actually in conversations with Joel in helping him to to improve his design from a straight linear format to something more dynamic.
As for being Joel's publicist - he certainly doesn't need my help judging by all the press he managed to get himself in the Toronto Star and the CBC.
As for his having permission to paint the south wall - well Councillor Bailao just confirmed that he had none from the City so it's kinda moot whatever he says or thinks.
My main concern was to offset some of the badmouthing that the city department - who have been nothing but supportive and helpful to artists doing public art (which Joel also benefited from) seemed to be having hurled at them on the site.
Joel you have certainly maintained your composure throughout this and I applaud you. Good job on the radio yesterday too!
I hope the meeting with the city provides some real answers and not the all-too-common attempts at evasion. It was a really disrespectful thing to do that to your mural after you had taken the trouble to go through various bureaucratic hoops. I saw the wall last night and it really looks horrible now - like graffiti done by some dunderhead who used a roller instead of spray paint.
I don't think Richard needs me to speak up for him, but he does make some good points. First of all I agree with him if you don't have permission to put up a mural, then it shouldn't be there. Joel said he had permission others say he didn't, time will tell.
I don't think it was Richard who called the City. Like I said in my previous posting I spoke to others who live or work in ward18 and didn't like the mural Joel done on dupont south side, most of them artist.
Jack, you should know about "stupid comments" and sniping at the decent guy who voluntarily runs this site is not too smart either. Not to mention condoning vicious criminal activity, which is what you're little rally did, in addition to demonizing some poor animals that are just trying to survive. You have only ever been able to see things one way, and that's your way. In my experience you never listen to anyone, change your mind or even compromise - ever. As your lonely blue Conservative signs highlighted in the recent election, you're out of touch with this community.
Shelley & I would like to thank everyone who dropped by on Saturday & helped us celebrate our Fourth Birthday Party.
The Oyster Boy treats & Grey Goose went fast and we hope everyone had a good time.
We would also take this time to thank ALL of our customers old and new for your continued support. We live in a great little pocket of the city that has been largely forgotten until very recently. Welcome to all of the new residents of the "Triangle" and may you all come to Boo's and enjoy the neighbourhood's best patio!
I dont know what this post means but did Mr. Nguyen click any of the links on this page to access information or assistance BEFORE he started beating animals to death as is alleged?
Did you read the ample information provided or call them to find out what help was available BEFORE you started complaining that the Province and City don't do anything?
I followed the links and learned a whole about raccoon proofing ones house, dealing with raccoons, who to call, and what the law is regarding animals. I called the number and got somebody on the line right away who was able to answer questions about raccoons. The wealth of info on the site has been up from the first day the City got on the web. The provincial website has links and info too. The councillor's office and 311 would have directed people to this web page as a starting point.
It is sad that beating animals and or ranting on TV seems easier to people as an option than going to the City website or calling a councillor.
Vic is not a renter.
Renters pay taxes too, its included in their rent. They also pay all other taxes too.
Homeowners vs. renters. Jack Fava dividing people as always.
I live 2 blocks away and yes there are raccoons but hardly the hysteria that seems to follow all your rallies. One day you complain about the City being useless and interfering in our lives and the next you demand that the City patrol our backyards looking for raccoons and do something.
Beating animals to earth is cruel and a crime. Period.
Is this really about raccoons or is it about your bi-annual need to see your face on TV?
Most work quietly through proper channels and attend meetings and work with the Police and the City departments to create real change and improvement. Many locals devote countless never seen hours to the many committees and groups they support. On TV and in the SUN you are always beating your chest about being a community leader but I haven't seen you at a meeting in years. Locals have taken the time to appear at countless City department meetings and depositions; never seen you there supporting local business or citizens.
The only local group you belong to is the "Get Jack Fava on TV Society". In the internet age getting on TV is the easy part.
I especially liked last year when "Mr. Community" went on TV and you said you were scared to walk outside in our neighborhood. Thanks a lot for creating a false sense of fear in the hood and tarring the community. Odd thing to say since you are on the police community board and SHOULD know and PROMOTE accurate crime stats which show that crime continues to fall in our area. (I know as Inspector Lennox gave me the same stats that you have access to).
Jack the worst thing that could happen to you would be for the area to improve, and that what has been happening over the past say 10 years. Improvement and community involvement decreases the size of your soapbox and means your rallies have to get kookier and more outlandish to get the attention you crave.
So Jack what is the next issue you are going to exploit so you can get on TV?
Vic,
Forgot to add link. If you go to the 2nd page of his link, bottom right you will see an area that I find to be gray and needs to be clear from the government. Leaving for the interpetation of an individual or group can lead to more stories like Mr Nguyen.
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/doc...
Vic wrote: Awesome, Now raccoons are been equated with terroists. Check under your porches folks. You might find Al Queda.
Jack Fava responded:
Vic for a smart guy that was one stupid comment. Many like you who rent don't know what it is to dish out money to repairs done to their properties by raccoons we are talking about thousands of dollars. These tax paying home owning citizens of Toronto and canada have a voice and a right to get heard. This is the reason I got involved. Unless the 3 levels of government start to listen to these home owners they may hear more stories like My Nguyen. There are many home owners who are very upset.
Hey Vic, Yes this is Canada and you have a right to your opinion. But many of us don't understand what you comment has to do with what happend on Rankin. There are many issues involved in this case, I think you are looking at it from one side. I am trying to see from all sides, not going into details with you, but I meet with people from all sides, got it from all sides. But their are many silent victims as well they are called "home owners". The City and they other two levels of govenrment can do more that may not involve big money, but just keeping silent, afraid to say something to be politically correct or not trying to step on people toes is not want I want my government to do. They need to be clear there is a lot a gray area in this issue. JF
I was invited to say a few words on behalf of Railpath so I was there the entire night. The presentation was short and to the point and followed by an invitation for residents to look at maps that showed the corridor by category (service, bike, transit, roads etc). Residents were encouraged to talk among each other (which happened a lot) and then write their comments directly onto the maps.The exercise really was to hear what was on peoples minds and record it.I like this process beter than breakout groups as it tends to et more people crosstalking to each other.
Ana Bailao and Sarah Phipps from City Planning prefaced the entire evening as a process to get ahead of development and zoning to create a better community.I will post the link to the study and resident comments when it is updated by the 17th (after the next meeting).
Happy to say that Railpath, and especially Railpath along Perth south of Bloor generated a lot of interest.
Dont forget there is another meeting next monday and two walks which are listed in the calendar on this site.
\did anyone go to the meeting last night? Any comments about it? Anyone take notes? I was unable to go.
-Vic
Joel,
I'm pleased to hear that the city has met with you and determined once and for all that you did, in fact, have permission to paint the south side mural. I'm also happy to hear that everyone has agreed that the City was hasty in the removal of the work and have determined that a change in procedure might be required here. To those people that thought Joel must have been confused or mistaken and repeatedly posted to that effect here, I do believe you might owe the man an apology...or at least a "way to go" for getting the whole mess sorted out in a reasonable fashion.
S**t does happen as they say, but when it eventually gets sorted out, it's nice to have that recognition. So, way to go Joel! I look forward to seeing more of your work decorating our hood in the future.
Sharon
I met with Director of the Public Realm Elyse Parker and Councillor Anna Bailao on Saturday. First, Elyse Parker let us know that she had seen the paper work for the south side (the side removed), and that I had been paid to do the south side. Both she and Councillor Bailao felt the city had acted hastily in removing the mural. To be completely fair to the city, the finished mural did deviate from the drawings I had submitted, although I was in no way told that the I could not refine my design. We all felt there was a possibility for a teaching moment here, as I was told the city does not have a list of what murals are legal or paid for by the city. Elyse Parker made the excellent suggestion of the establishing of a data base of city sponsoured mural art.
Then to the sticky question of what is to happen to the wall. The city invited me to paint a mural there, paid me to do it and has now admitted that they made a mistake in removing it. It seems to me that a simple solution is to let me paint the mural back. But then enters the question does a mural about the integrity of of our free wheeling financial system cross the line into the realm of “political art”, an art form banned on city property I am told.
That question I will leave up to Councillor Bailao and Director of the Public Realm Elyse Parker, both of whom so far have been excellent to deal with, and very good natured. They have told me they will get back to me shortly about what is to happen to the wall.
If you have any opinions on this feel free to share them with the Councillor or with City Hall.
And once again I want to thank all of the people who have shown me so much support, it is truly humbling. Just four months ago I was almost dead, what a wild ride!!!
Thank you everyone, even those who have been angered by me and my mural, I love the passion.
Joel RIchardson
I deal with the City almost every day of the year as a matter of fact including Transportation and Parks a lot. I also talk with people at the councillors office a few times a week. There was a change in councillor and their staff and sometimes the left hand does not know what the right is doing; that is not uncommon in a large organization and happens from time to time. Currently for example there is a lot of confusion about new procurement rules and that is holding a lot of projects up. But I also know from experience that the City produces a lot of documentation and notes for legal reasons and generally gets things right. When you get a permit for something you get a copy for yourself; I have some. Maybe people in Transportation never got a copy. Maybe Joel never got a check from one agency but never got a permit from another.
It seems people want a culprit to blame in this case or think there is some kind of conspiracy. Sometimes thing just get screwed up and there is nobody directly at fault.It happens. The important part is to learn from it and I think the councillors message is the right approach.
i wonder how an artist could "mistakenly" spend over 30 hours of their time and talent to paint a mural in the neighbourhood....over a year after they painted the first mural. or how an artist could have "mistakenly" told everyone he knew in the neighbourhood that he'd been asked to do another mural. or how an artist could have "mistakenly" received and cashed a cheque from the city of toronto. perhaps the assumption could be made that the city has misfiled or not yet found the appropriate documentation - i mean, seriously...have any of you dealt with the city before?
How many people have squabbled over the years about Rothko or Pollock and vowed that it is utter garbage, and then professed how their 2 year old could have done better? As Joel states, "In my mind good art is not always liked or even understood, but that is hardly reason to destroy it" And I concur, the beauty of art is in the eye of the beholder and who are we to say otherwise? While some of you may not have cared for Joel's art work, so be it; it seems just as many enjoyed it. And I am by no means arguing that Joel's mural is better than Richard's, or Richard's is better than Joel's it is not the point, nor is it whether Joel's art work is political or not? I appreciate and I have great respect for all art, and anyone who knows me knows this to be true...
We have a city Councillor who cares greatly about our community and she was completely side stepped and she has been very active in trying to beautify Dupont Street and Carlton Park along with many other parts of our lovely community. Her team has been helping to write proposals and grants to help us make a safer place for our kids. It is not right what happened, and in the future I hope that paper work trials will be followed with a fine tooth comb so we don't ever have to hear again why ONE person made a phone call and somehow this was why the art work was removed so that all that remained was a mess all over the sidewalk. Two wrongs (if it is true what Richard said) do not make a right. The city did not act properly or responsibly.
My passionate comments were made, because I/we all know that this one statement would never have Ms. Parker released from her duties - it was simply to prove how ludicrous this all is. How is it possible that one phone call led to this? I’m sure Ms. Parker is a very lovely person as stated by her collegues, but if we don’t acknowledge when these things happen, they will continue to happen and this is a slippery slope – when we are gathering to improve Dupont Street and Carlton Park how can one turn around and waste money that could have been used for Garbage Bins, flower boxes or proper lighting – it is dark at night on Dupont. This is simply another step in the wrong direction. There is never a good enough excuse for wasting thousands of dollars that we all worked hard for....
The Villager / Inside Toronto has an article about the rail corridor study:
http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/1019294--public-meetings...
Don't forget, the first public meeting for this study is next Monday, June 6th, 6:30PM at the Churh of the Firstborn (Perth Ave., south of Bloor).
Again, just to clarify. Joel had permission and a permit to paint the north face of the Dupont St. underpass the year before, not the south. Read Councillors Bailao's response. Cheers Everyone!
Where is the permit then? I keep hearing about documentation but I have yet to see or hear any. I think Joel may have been mistaken thinking that he was supposed to do both sides. There is nothing wrong with being mistaken. We all do it.
Joel did indeed have the support of the city in making this mural, Richard Mongiat. Unless you think a $2000 cheque magically appeared out of nowhere. Joel has documentation of this. I think people should be concerned that the city keeps such bad records. Joel's mural was excellent and did not need any assistance from any other artist. I hope Joel's mural goes right back up there as soon as possible.
Richard and Joel are both on the same side in the end so lets not create disagreement where none exists. This situation looks to me like a big mistake. Earlier I complained about Ms. Parker but upon further reading and talking with people I was wrong. Sometimes things are just a big srew up and I think this is such a case. Lets learn from it and keep the focus on encouraging a more colourful and creative hood.We are lucky that so many creative people are our neighbors.
A reminder of our Code Of Conduct can be found here:
https://www.junctiontriangle.ca/CodeOfConduct
Personal attacks will be removed or this thread will be closed if it just becomes name calling or unsubstantiated accusations. There have been some thoughtful posts on this topic and it would nice to see them continue.
you were in conversations with joel to help him "improve his design from a straight linear format to something more dynamic"?? this just smacks of passive aggression. isn't joel richardson a professional artist? unless he asked for your help, that sounds like a foggy way of saying you critiqued his work without invitation. which is all the more reason i agree with people on here that you were likely the complainer who took it to the city!
however, given that joel's mural is the talk of the town, i bet 'whoever' did it is kicking themselves as it did the opposite of what their intention clearly was: it showcased his work and turned him into an indie hero!
Slightly off-topic, but I just came across this:
http://wins.failblog.org/2011/06/02/epic-win-photos-hacked-irl-reverse-g...
Reminds of Richard's mural combined with the recent buffing of Joel's.
I'm looking forward to hearing the outcome of Joel's meeting with the city. A very curious situation indeed! But let's not pit our artists against each other. Sherlock, I for one am certain of Richard Mongiat's integrity (and his beautiful work). And I'm with Joel too -- it's great to be discussing art so passionately on our neighbourhood website! Joel, do you have a date for your meeting yet?
I like your definition of "no offense."
I meant no offense to Joel in my trying to calm down the the rhetoric around the removal of his mural but was just trying to bring some facts to the situation. I'm flattered that you think I am the culprit in having his mural removed but unfortunately, as I mentioned, I was actually in conversations with Joel in helping him to to improve his design from a straight linear format to something more dynamic.
As for being Joel's publicist - he certainly doesn't need my help judging by all the press he managed to get himself in the Toronto Star and the CBC.
As for his having permission to paint the south wall - well Councillor Bailao just confirmed that he had none from the City so it's kinda moot whatever he says or thinks.
My main concern was to offset some of the badmouthing that the city department - who have been nothing but supportive and helpful to artists doing public art (which Joel also benefited from) seemed to be having hurled at them on the site.
Joel you have certainly maintained your composure throughout this and I applaud you. Good job on the radio yesterday too!
I hope the meeting with the city provides some real answers and not the all-too-common attempts at evasion. It was a really disrespectful thing to do that to your mural after you had taken the trouble to go through various bureaucratic hoops. I saw the wall last night and it really looks horrible now - like graffiti done by some dunderhead who used a roller instead of spray paint.
I don't think Richard needs me to speak up for him, but he does make some good points. First of all I agree with him if you don't have permission to put up a mural, then it shouldn't be there. Joel said he had permission others say he didn't, time will tell.
I don't think it was Richard who called the City. Like I said in my previous posting I spoke to others who live or work in ward18 and didn't like the mural Joel done on dupont south side, most of them artist.