Thank you Scott for your summation. You have made the case perfectly! Many people in this neighbourhood want the reign of terror to end. No more more name-calling, bullying and displays of sheer ignorance. We have seen it all here. The boogeyman has been outed! Let's hope this is the last time it shows its ugly face and residents can get on with making a great place to live and raise children and even better neighbourhood through discussion and cooperative efforts.
It started about the way you treated fellow residents at the dump which is just the latest in a string activities where you two have tried to shout down everybody who you don't agree with or to slander them with by calling them "newcomers" or talk about gentrification. We see it written here and we have all heard it at meetings over and over again. As somebody else said its about your methods. And in this case and others mentioned your methods were appalling and created nothing but bad press and hysteria. Thats because you two are into building things or creating consensus your only into marching around in mobs as self appointed king and queen of the hood. Meanwhile tons of other worthwhile projects quietly move ahead making a real difference one small step at a time. Never seen any of you at any of those meetings.
This forum has really provided a unique window into your divisive methodology; the reason why both of you never seem to last in a group longer than two weeks before you quit or storm out calling names. Every involved person in this community has at least one "Jack or Virginia story" as you two have scorched the earth from one end of the community to the other over the years. We can see here the more one starts to look at your statements the more one starts to find inaccuracies or things that are not exactly as you claim. And you start to hear others voices that have not been heard before speaking up for this community and telling what really has been going on and what people really want to work on.
A healthy community doesn't need your kind of negative energy and thats why you find more people to be mad at every day because more and more you are part of the problem not the solution. The community is moving pretty much together in the same direction these days but somehow you two are only imaginary captains.
This has gotten way out of hand. To Brock D and Campbell thank you
for trying to clarify some fact which I see will never get resovled because they don't want them resolved but continue pushing all the wrong bottons so that you will snap. Those of us that were there know what happened and we will leave it at that.
I most clarify something that Campbell said about me and the Dupont Library. I was on a library board but with Annette back in the 70"S and not on Dupont. Sorry Gail for that misunderstanding. And your tone towards Campbell wasn't very nice.
To the issue of the quote in the I think it was NOW magazine. Jack never said kids don't like their vegetables. He was refering to the older children not liking their park converted into a big farm yard. Stop using that when you are cornered and need a way out.
As for the police, Yes the police spoke to Jack but only because the Mayor put presure on the chief of police to not allow us to do that again. They Mayor didn't want other communities to do the same he felt it would make him and the union look bad. Which reminds me, as for me, well lets clear something up, the picketer and myself went head to head on the way he was bullying and intimidating people who were dropping off their garbage. I saw an elderly man who just stepped out of his car and got his garbage our of the car. The picketer blocked the gentleman and yelled at him to drop his garbage right were he was standing and told the managers" OK you bunch of Shits pick up the garbage." I went over the the picketer and warned him not to do that again. The elderly man was scared and I stepped in to block the picketer from doing it again. The police came and asked me what had happened I explained the managers also explained and the picketer was told not to do it again. Police were then watching him carfully.
I have come to realize something. In other areas of the city. You had people sreaming at union and residence who were dumping their garbage in other parks. The last of the parks that opened, neighbours blocked either side of the road blocking people from dumping their trash there is no mention of thatby any of you, WHY? I have come to realize that it's not the park or the protest the neighbourhood did, it's all about a small group of people who are piss off at Jack and I for blocking your garden. This is your way at getting back at us. I hate to tell you folks it really makes you look foolish. This form will contiue as long as those trying to defend it keep writting. So Campbell and Brock lets not give them anymore gossip and lets enjoy the rest of the summer.
BrockD wrote:
If you want to interpert what you saw rather then what you heard then that's your falt.
You might want to reread my first message. I didn't offer any interpretation. I reported what I saw. Here's more detail.
The day after Jack and Virginia chained themselves to the entrance I was at Campbell Park with Jack. I was teasing him about being a lawbreaker. A police sergeant approached Jack. I pointed to Jack and said as a joke, "There's the criminal, officer. Arrest him" However, the sergeant wasn't in a joking mood. He asked to speak to Jack privately. Afterwards I asked Jack if the sergeant had warned him not to chain himself up again. Jack confirmed that's what the officer said. I wasn't listening to the conversation, but I did overhear the officer tell Jack "No more stunts." That's what happened.
As for Virginia, I merely reported what I saw. Virginia and a CUPE picketer were arguing. The police pulled the picketer over for a chat. Then the police pulled Virginia over for a chat. I don't know what was said.
I agree totally with John there are ways of getting your point across with out all the drama that you all created at campbell park , But it's obvious you know no better by the manner in how you attacked everyone in your rude manner ,
Thank you Brock D. for responding in kind. We would have loved to have helped with the protest and to discuss other ways we could have gotten the point across that you and your neighbours near the dump site was and still are frustrated. But that didn't happen, all past talk regarding informing the community about events that affect us all did not happen, unless I was one of those people who did not read their mail properly and a flyer was sent out and I missed it.
Perhaps we can turn this discussion around now and ask for other people's input in how to get across the frustrations to our local government of living with the current smell and what suggestions for plans should another strike happen in a few years. We as a community should come up with a contingent plan for the future that will not blame innocent people who want to use any future dump site in our area.
:-)
Let's start with you Brock D., what would you suggest our community do if, out of our control, the city decides to use Campbell Park rink as a dump site again? What would our plan B be? Anyone else? Me, I got nothing right now...
If you want to interpert what you saw rather then what you heard then that's your falt. No police never threaten to arrest anyone. Police spoke to the women who took the garbage from another person. Police never told Jack not to block residence from dumping their garbage infact it was about a another matter that Jack and 11 division were working on before the strike. Police asked Virginia what was wrong. After talking to both the picketer and Virginia, Virginia stayed with the officers and watched the picketer bully residence. Police spoke to Jack yes but not threateening with arrest. For the record police allowed the protest to go for 1 hour and then they had to remove the chains from the fence. From were I stood the police in a shy way had a small grim on their face. Far from a threatening force I would say. I was there I saw and I heard you didn't, so that end that discussion. You are all grasping at straws just to make us look bad. I think those who read this for the first time will see how negitive and petty some people are.
No that's not what I am saying. You get to a point were no matter what anyone says you refuse to see it. I am fustrated in having to explain our actions to you or anyone else for that matter. Someone needs to shake some common sense into all of you. The Friends of Campbell stand by for what we did. And if you wanted to get into the spotlight you should have come over there was plenty of coffee to go around.
And for the third time, could you tell us did the police really threaten you or members of your non-group community group with arrest if you didn't stop preventing residents from depositing their garbage at the temporary site?
On the first day of the protest, police told Jack and his supporters not to block traffic on Campbell. The same day police told Jack and his supporters not to block the entrance to the dump. On another day, police pulled Virginia aside after she got into an argument with a CUPE picketer. The picketer was pulled aside separately. In this case, I would say the picketer was more to blame. The day after Jack and his group chained themselves to the entrance of the dump, a police sergeant pulled Jack aside for a private conversation about the incident. I haven't quite answered your question, but that's what I saw.
Nice very nice. Name calling AND with a very threatening tone. You can defend without having to name call with a bullying tone. That is what whatchamacallit was trying to explain. The very frenzied anger that happens. What part of the word compromise is hard to understand? The tone once again is very much, winners or losers.
BTW, if one puts themselves up as very pubic figures, then like politicians one must expect to be questioned on what they do publicly. It is NOT o.k. do what you want and not expect a backlash.
Plus, no one is saying there shouldn't have been a protest, again it is the manner in which it was done. If you were all shouting at innocent people, using the dump, who had nothing do with the strike happening, then you are ALL responsible for giving off a thuggish environment.
Are you saying that it is acceptable to name call, to shout at people and to get your point across in a very thug-like way, but god forbid if other people question such behaviour? Because, Brock D. that's what your comment sounds like.
To Kevin and Whatchanacalilt or who ever you are. You are totaly rude and discrespectful. NO to your question is Friends of Campbell was a priviate group or club how much lower are you going to go. Or do you enjoy getting people upset and if you do, YOU ARE SICK. They were neighbours who lived behind behind the park and butt next to the dump site, On Campbell and Antler. If you lived in the visinity of the park you stupid yahoos you would understand what we were going through. It isn't that we haven't explained it to you, you refuse in your narrow mind to see and understand the truth. I don't know how we can explain to any of you anymore and quite frankly I"m done explanning to a bunch of people who love to complain no matter what anyone does. I watched a clipping from the interview that Virginia and Jack were with the Mayor. The jack-ass that keeps saying that all Jack said was shame is not watching the whole picture. In the clip it has Jack asking the Mayor if he couldn't end the strick would he step down as Mayor. Why don't you watch it and listen this time. By the way, Jack and Virginia were not the only one shouting. We all were. The wreath was simbolic of our feelings we felt that whole 39 days the park was taken away from us. Unless you were directly effected by the strick like the residence who had to endure it once and for all SHUT UP.
Now for the community gardens that some of you hill billys wanted to start. Yes in many ways it was Adam G. who screwed up and also those of you who wanted the garden in the park in the first place. You a angrey at Jack and Virginia for organizing the comminity. In letting them know what was gong on HONESTLY and no FABRICATION. Once reidence saw with there own eyes what was going to happen they rallied together and won the battle fair and square. That's what all this bull-shit is all about. It is your sick way in getting back at both of them for what they did you your garden. The community stood by them 100% and that pisses you all off.
For the record someone blogged about energy should have been spent on the bike trail, and other things. That's fine if you think a bike trail along the railway tracks is a good idea I personnaly think money could be spent on other well meaning things like fixing our infastructure. So everyone lay-off already. The residence on Campbell, Sarina and Antler were the ones that suffered not you. We asked Virgina and Jack to help us in any way and we are most greatful to them. The rest of you I believe I know who some of you are live near Bloor on Campbell and Symington you contiue to life in your own little world and leave good people alone. To Jack Yourwelcome.
To all community residents reading this: let me clear (again), this discussion about Jack/Virginia is NOT about the FoodShare Garden or the garbage strike anymore.
This is about THEIR METHODS in how they hijack an issue and create a mob-like mentality from their supporters rather than listen to compromises.
Jack's latest reply, as above, regarding showing pictures of the planned garden speaks volumes about a win or lose attitude. It says nothing about compromises.
" Barker admits to some unfortunately timed miscues.
"The garden was initially dug twice as large as was intended after rain washed away the markings," says Barker. Then, when FoodShare wanted to address community concerns, premature construction of a fence "eroded any trust there may have been." "
The size of the garden was a MISTAKE. A MISTAKE. But rather than hear out the other side, Jack keeps on regurgitating the same ol' argument. He couldn't hear the "truth" over the loud sound of his version of the "truth".
I'll copy and paste my original posting about Jack's methods of getting his point across that are quite malevolent. These are just the public face of some of his actions.
Original posting:
This in NOT about the FoodShare garden. It is about the methods in which you incite people to react.
* Yelling at people and name calling: those people throwing out their garbage in the Campbell Park hockey rink are NOT to blame for the strike and yelling at them, as you yelled during the FoodShare meetings and calling people names assaults. It doesn't further debate on an issue where BOTH sides can be heard.
* Riling people up with anger: the white boards put up in the park for the food garden, after spreading lathering people up in a frenzy, what do you think you'll "encourage" children to write on it. Pleases and no thank yous? A civilized debate where BOTH sides can be heard? Same goes for putting up funeral wreaths in Campbell Park. Creating a charged up atmosphere does not create a two sided debate.
* Stating that the public was NOT informed properly:
Excerpt from an email from Chris Gallop to Jack, dated August 21, 2007:
"We hand-delivered 500 flyers to the surrounding streets to let people know this garden was being considered and to invite them to the consultation meeting. Volunteers also went door to door on Rankin Crescent to let them know about the meeting. While it's true that some people can't understand English or Portuguese, those two languages are understood by the vast majority of residents. While it's true that only 13 residents attended, we can't force people to attend meetings and every single person who did chose to come supported this project. Over the past three months that we have been working on this project, not a single person has raised an objection with our office to the installation of this garden until now."
500 flyers! You can't force people to read their mail properly. Therefore, yes, one can knock on 200 doors and people will honestly respond that they were not consulted. Volunteers went door to door on Rankin Crescent to let them know about the meeting. Then who is lying? Adam's office? For personal use -- how is a partnership with FoodShare for personal use? Moreover, FoodShare and Adam's office were willing to discuss compromises. This must have been a huge misunderstanding on your part and all those residents who ended up opposing the project?
It's a similar complaint Fuzzy Boundaries heard -- why wasn't the community informed of the first meeting? 5000 postcards were mailed out. You can't force people to look and read through their mail properly.
There are many who do good deeds in this area but do so quietly without fanfare. You and your merry bunch of men and women have been fighting the "good fight" for so long that now it seems you all cannot tell the difference between your friends and your enemies. Perhaps many of these people, myself included, would want to fight the "good fight" along your side but are discouraged due to all the drama and one sided angry atmosphere that is created.
Jack: For a guy who didn't want this to go back and forth, you seem to be having trouble letting a difference of opinion go.
Can you tell all of us if Friends of Campbell Park is a community group or a private club? It can't be both. Did the Friends of Campbell Park hold a public meeting to discuss a strategy in response to the closing of the outdoor hockey rink temporarily at Campbell Park? And for the third time, could you tell us did the police really threaten you or members of your non-group community group with arrest if you didn't stop preventing residents from depositing their garbage at the temporary site?
I'm also wondering if you agree with Campbell (who has done little more than resort to name calling here on your behalf) when she says "that the city always picks on communities that have a high ethnic, and social background and you will never see Rosedale or Forest Hill parks getting garbage dumped?" And finally, do you think there are other ways to communicate ideas without playing the victim? (as you are doing here and everytime you seek media attention)
Silent Figure, I can send you pictures of the size of the garden if you want??? Your comments only supports what I have been trying to say, this is about the garden, not about the strike or anything else we done in the past, anything we say or do will be an issue for you. Get over it. Like I said we/i will speak out if we need to. Frankly it don't matter what you say or think.
You talk of the truth but do not provide it yourself. You said in your past message that you knew nothing of Food Share being involved but mention it here. And as you know, the garden was only going to take up 1/8 to 1/4 of the park not 3/4 like you said. Adam even offered to have it moved to the south end of the park and it was to be used to provide food for those who you claim to help.
the things i have read here has made me see how people like to praise themselves ,,,good for you on that,,, but it would be nice to have you be useful on real important issues not a garden
I have said that I'am going to say to you , as for my age not that i have to tell you but i'm 60 and i was aound when the library was being considered and that's and i personally know those that got it espcially the man that has been spoken of ,
but have a great week and you believe what you wish and i will do the same
Hi Brock and Campbell
This is not about Campbell Park or the Strike. This is about a couple of things:
1) About 2 yrs ago, a group of residents on campbell south of Wallce wanted a community garden, which was great, but what had happened and thanks to councillor Gimbrone and Food share, been so passionate about community gardens. Decided it was okay to take a very healthy and used park, been taken away from children, ordinary adults, daycare, dogwalker and so. Decided it would be okay to take and make 3/4 of the park a community garden, not sharing the park, but make it one big gardens, from 8 plots, now was 35 to 40 plots. There is so much more to explain, the lies,manipulation and making up things, but I'm skipping along. The residents decided to ask Adam for another revote, since he started this shit we wanted a fair community meeting, with a proper community consultation. And which ever the majority went, it would decided the fate of the park. Two things happened that night, one, the community was now divided, thanks to Adam, and that the majority of the community was against a garden. Now those who wanted the garden have been bitter since.
2) The other thing I find is. Some individuals and I mean, some. If you don't conform or believe in a certain groups way or ideology, you are an out cast and that makes you different. A group of us decided to speak against the dumping of garbage and spraying of pesticide and soforth. We are these bad people, we never said we represent the community, we were a group of residents called, FRIENDS OF CAMPBELL PARK. We have had many people thanking us for speaking out, I have emails and letters from professionals and ordinary citizens thanking us and to continue to speak out, which we did. It has only been a few people talking trash, which means squat to me. I/We will continue to speak out,, when we feel it's nesscessary to do so. So you can continue to talk trash, which means nothing to me. Thanks Campbell and Brock for trying to clarify things not for Virginia and me, but for the truth. Jack
I as a rule don't participate in blogging until now. I am reading everyones blogs and all I can say people are you all NUTS! Were is all this anger around 2 or more people coming from? If my memory serves me right, I don't recall Virginia or Jack or anyother person who spoke on camera refering themselves as spokespersons of the area. Everyone byline was either a resident or "Friends of Campbell Park" That was the brain child of a neighbour of mine, we go their quite frequently because our children play in the park together and it gives the wife a break from the kids.
The anger in some of the emails supprieses me to no end. Campbell, tried to calm everyone down with an explanation. I too was there not all the time, but was apart of some of the planning and activity to put preasure on the City to end this strick. You all could have been apart of it. My daughter was one of the children who was chalking at the wadding pool. There must have been 20 of us who live in and around the parkwho took part willingly in various events. No one EVER tried to make the community look bad. If you remember there was 22 dump sites.
Christie Pits was vocial. I remember watching the news one night and they were in your face with the residence who came to dump their trash at the park. There was Moss park another example. What you saw on TV was all of us asking residence to not dump in our parks so that our children could contiue to play there. Someone bloged that Jack and Virginia were yelling at the neighbours. The night my wife and I were at the park, Virginia spoke to one resident who was crying because she had to indure the stench saying "I'm sorry the city was so thoughtless in were they planned the dumpsite and you have to endure this for God know how long I"m so sorry. The women came to Virginia and they embraced. All of you have taken this way our of proportion. The friends of Christe Pits were there. I met a women from Earlscourt Park there was one other and the location I forget. I don't know quite frankly what the hipe is all about. Come on folks, there is plenty of work in this community without us stabing each other in the backs. We are all adults so lets start acting like adults. Look in the good in people not the bad.
i totolly agree with you finally someone with sence we do need to come together as a community and try to resolve the problems instead of plastering ourselfs on the news
I’m in no way jealous of people who beat there chest when they do something for others. I’m tired of the going back and forward with you in the end if there was anything of substance that these people had done for the community then none of you would have a problem posting it seeing that your quick to judge someone’s character , enough is enough get your facts and your grammar straight before posting any more comments directed at me thank you
I’m in no way jealous of people who beat there chest when they do something for others. I’m tired of the going back and forward with you in the end if there was anything of substance that these people had done for the community then none of you would have a problem posting it seeing that your quick to judge someone’s character , enough is enough get your facts and your grammar straight before posting any more comments directed at me thank you
Thank you Scott for your summation. You have made the case perfectly! Many people in this neighbourhood want the reign of terror to end. No more more name-calling, bullying and displays of sheer ignorance. We have seen it all here. The boogeyman has been outed! Let's hope this is the last time it shows its ugly face and residents can get on with making a great place to live and raise children and even better neighbourhood through discussion and cooperative efforts.
It started about the way you treated fellow residents at the dump which is just the latest in a string activities where you two have tried to shout down everybody who you don't agree with or to slander them with by calling them "newcomers" or talk about gentrification. We see it written here and we have all heard it at meetings over and over again. As somebody else said its about your methods. And in this case and others mentioned your methods were appalling and created nothing but bad press and hysteria. Thats because you two are into building things or creating consensus your only into marching around in mobs as self appointed king and queen of the hood. Meanwhile tons of other worthwhile projects quietly move ahead making a real difference one small step at a time. Never seen any of you at any of those meetings.
This forum has really provided a unique window into your divisive methodology; the reason why both of you never seem to last in a group longer than two weeks before you quit or storm out calling names. Every involved person in this community has at least one "Jack or Virginia story" as you two have scorched the earth from one end of the community to the other over the years. We can see here the more one starts to look at your statements the more one starts to find inaccuracies or things that are not exactly as you claim. And you start to hear others voices that have not been heard before speaking up for this community and telling what really has been going on and what people really want to work on.
A healthy community doesn't need your kind of negative energy and thats why you find more people to be mad at every day because more and more you are part of the problem not the solution. The community is moving pretty much together in the same direction these days but somehow you two are only imaginary captains.
This has gotten way out of hand. To Brock D and Campbell thank you
for trying to clarify some fact which I see will never get resovled because they don't want them resolved but continue pushing all the wrong bottons so that you will snap. Those of us that were there know what happened and we will leave it at that.
I most clarify something that Campbell said about me and the Dupont Library. I was on a library board but with Annette back in the 70"S and not on Dupont. Sorry Gail for that misunderstanding. And your tone towards Campbell wasn't very nice.
To the issue of the quote in the I think it was NOW magazine. Jack never said kids don't like their vegetables. He was refering to the older children not liking their park converted into a big farm yard. Stop using that when you are cornered and need a way out.
As for the police, Yes the police spoke to Jack but only because the Mayor put presure on the chief of police to not allow us to do that again. They Mayor didn't want other communities to do the same he felt it would make him and the union look bad. Which reminds me, as for me, well lets clear something up, the picketer and myself went head to head on the way he was bullying and intimidating people who were dropping off their garbage. I saw an elderly man who just stepped out of his car and got his garbage our of the car. The picketer blocked the gentleman and yelled at him to drop his garbage right were he was standing and told the managers" OK you bunch of Shits pick up the garbage." I went over the the picketer and warned him not to do that again. The elderly man was scared and I stepped in to block the picketer from doing it again. The police came and asked me what had happened I explained the managers also explained and the picketer was told not to do it again. Police were then watching him carfully.
I have come to realize something. In other areas of the city. You had people sreaming at union and residence who were dumping their garbage in other parks. The last of the parks that opened, neighbours blocked either side of the road blocking people from dumping their trash there is no mention of thatby any of you, WHY? I have come to realize that it's not the park or the protest the neighbourhood did, it's all about a small group of people who are piss off at Jack and I for blocking your garden. This is your way at getting back at us. I hate to tell you folks it really makes you look foolish. This form will contiue as long as those trying to defend it keep writting. So Campbell and Brock lets not give them anymore gossip and lets enjoy the rest of the summer.
BrockD wrote:
If you want to interpert what you saw rather then what you heard then that's your falt.
You might want to reread my first message. I didn't offer any interpretation. I reported what I saw. Here's more detail.
The day after Jack and Virginia chained themselves to the entrance I was at Campbell Park with Jack. I was teasing him about being a lawbreaker. A police sergeant approached Jack. I pointed to Jack and said as a joke, "There's the criminal, officer. Arrest him" However, the sergeant wasn't in a joking mood. He asked to speak to Jack privately. Afterwards I asked Jack if the sergeant had warned him not to chain himself up again. Jack confirmed that's what the officer said. I wasn't listening to the conversation, but I did overhear the officer tell Jack "No more stunts." That's what happened.
As for Virginia, I merely reported what I saw. Virginia and a CUPE picketer were arguing. The police pulled the picketer over for a chat. Then the police pulled Virginia over for a chat. I don't know what was said.
I agree totally with John there are ways of getting your point across with out all the drama that you all created at campbell park , But it's obvious you know no better by the manner in how you attacked everyone in your rude manner ,
Thank you Brock D. for responding in kind. We would have loved to have helped with the protest and to discuss other ways we could have gotten the point across that you and your neighbours near the dump site was and still are frustrated. But that didn't happen, all past talk regarding informing the community about events that affect us all did not happen, unless I was one of those people who did not read their mail properly and a flyer was sent out and I missed it.
Perhaps we can turn this discussion around now and ask for other people's input in how to get across the frustrations to our local government of living with the current smell and what suggestions for plans should another strike happen in a few years. We as a community should come up with a contingent plan for the future that will not blame innocent people who want to use any future dump site in our area.
:-)
Let's start with you Brock D., what would you suggest our community do if, out of our control, the city decides to use Campbell Park rink as a dump site again? What would our plan B be? Anyone else? Me, I got nothing right now...
If you want to interpert what you saw rather then what you heard then that's your falt. No police never threaten to arrest anyone. Police spoke to the women who took the garbage from another person. Police never told Jack not to block residence from dumping their garbage infact it was about a another matter that Jack and 11 division were working on before the strike. Police asked Virginia what was wrong. After talking to both the picketer and Virginia, Virginia stayed with the officers and watched the picketer bully residence. Police spoke to Jack yes but not threateening with arrest. For the record police allowed the protest to go for 1 hour and then they had to remove the chains from the fence. From were I stood the police in a shy way had a small grim on their face. Far from a threatening force I would say. I was there I saw and I heard you didn't, so that end that discussion. You are all grasping at straws just to make us look bad. I think those who read this for the first time will see how negitive and petty some people are.
you don't know the person so don't judge her and trying to read your grammer makes me think your younger then she is
No that's not what I am saying. You get to a point were no matter what anyone says you refuse to see it. I am fustrated in having to explain our actions to you or anyone else for that matter. Someone needs to shake some common sense into all of you. The Friends of Campbell stand by for what we did. And if you wanted to get into the spotlight you should have come over there was plenty of coffee to go around.
And for the third time, could you tell us did the police really threaten you or members of your non-group community group with arrest if you didn't stop preventing residents from depositing their garbage at the temporary site?
On the first day of the protest, police told Jack and his supporters not to block traffic on Campbell. The same day police told Jack and his supporters not to block the entrance to the dump. On another day, police pulled Virginia aside after she got into an argument with a CUPE picketer. The picketer was pulled aside separately. In this case, I would say the picketer was more to blame. The day after Jack and his group chained themselves to the entrance of the dump, a police sergeant pulled Jack aside for a private conversation about the incident. I haven't quite answered your question, but that's what I saw.
Nice very nice. Name calling AND with a very threatening tone. You can defend without having to name call with a bullying tone. That is what whatchamacallit was trying to explain. The very frenzied anger that happens. What part of the word compromise is hard to understand? The tone once again is very much, winners or losers.
BTW, if one puts themselves up as very pubic figures, then like politicians one must expect to be questioned on what they do publicly. It is NOT o.k. do what you want and not expect a backlash.
Plus, no one is saying there shouldn't have been a protest, again it is the manner in which it was done. If you were all shouting at innocent people, using the dump, who had nothing do with the strike happening, then you are ALL responsible for giving off a thuggish environment.
Are you saying that it is acceptable to name call, to shout at people and to get your point across in a very thug-like way, but god forbid if other people question such behaviour? Because, Brock D. that's what your comment sounds like.
To Kevin and Whatchanacalilt or who ever you are. You are totaly rude and discrespectful. NO to your question is Friends of Campbell was a priviate group or club how much lower are you going to go. Or do you enjoy getting people upset and if you do, YOU ARE SICK. They were neighbours who lived behind behind the park and butt next to the dump site, On Campbell and Antler. If you lived in the visinity of the park you stupid yahoos you would understand what we were going through. It isn't that we haven't explained it to you, you refuse in your narrow mind to see and understand the truth. I don't know how we can explain to any of you anymore and quite frankly I"m done explanning to a bunch of people who love to complain no matter what anyone does. I watched a clipping from the interview that Virginia and Jack were with the Mayor. The jack-ass that keeps saying that all Jack said was shame is not watching the whole picture. In the clip it has Jack asking the Mayor if he couldn't end the strick would he step down as Mayor. Why don't you watch it and listen this time. By the way, Jack and Virginia were not the only one shouting. We all were. The wreath was simbolic of our feelings we felt that whole 39 days the park was taken away from us. Unless you were directly effected by the strick like the residence who had to endure it once and for all SHUT UP.
Now for the community gardens that some of you hill billys wanted to start. Yes in many ways it was Adam G. who screwed up and also those of you who wanted the garden in the park in the first place. You a angrey at Jack and Virginia for organizing the comminity. In letting them know what was gong on HONESTLY and no FABRICATION. Once reidence saw with there own eyes what was going to happen they rallied together and won the battle fair and square. That's what all this bull-shit is all about. It is your sick way in getting back at both of them for what they did you your garden. The community stood by them 100% and that pisses you all off.
For the record someone blogged about energy should have been spent on the bike trail, and other things. That's fine if you think a bike trail along the railway tracks is a good idea I personnaly think money could be spent on other well meaning things like fixing our infastructure. So everyone lay-off already. The residence on Campbell, Sarina and Antler were the ones that suffered not you. We asked Virgina and Jack to help us in any way and we are most greatful to them. The rest of you I believe I know who some of you are live near Bloor on Campbell and Symington you contiue to life in your own little world and leave good people alone. To Jack Yourwelcome.
To all community residents reading this: let me clear (again), this discussion about Jack/Virginia is NOT about the FoodShare Garden or the garbage strike anymore.
This is about THEIR METHODS in how they hijack an issue and create a mob-like mentality from their supporters rather than listen to compromises.
Jack's latest reply, as above, regarding showing pictures of the planned garden speaks volumes about a win or lose attitude. It says nothing about compromises.
From: http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=159916&archive=27,4,2007
" Barker admits to some unfortunately timed miscues.
"The garden was initially dug twice as large as was intended after rain washed away the markings," says Barker. Then, when FoodShare wanted to address community concerns, premature construction of a fence "eroded any trust there may have been." "
The size of the garden was a MISTAKE. A MISTAKE. But rather than hear out the other side, Jack keeps on regurgitating the same ol' argument. He couldn't hear the "truth" over the loud sound of his version of the "truth".
I'll copy and paste my original posting about Jack's methods of getting his point across that are quite malevolent. These are just the public face of some of his actions.
Original posting:
This in NOT about the FoodShare garden. It is about the methods in which you incite people to react.
* Yelling at people and name calling: those people throwing out their garbage in the Campbell Park hockey rink are NOT to blame for the strike and yelling at them, as you yelled during the FoodShare meetings and calling people names assaults. It doesn't further debate on an issue where BOTH sides can be heard.
* Riling people up with anger: the white boards put up in the park for the food garden, after spreading lathering people up in a frenzy, what do you think you'll "encourage" children to write on it. Pleases and no thank yous? A civilized debate where BOTH sides can be heard? Same goes for putting up funeral wreaths in Campbell Park. Creating a charged up atmosphere does not create a two sided debate.
* Stating that the public was NOT informed properly:
If you want to debate public consultation about FoodShare, from this link:
http://www.campbellpark.ca/wiki/wiki.php?n=NeighbourhoodNews.FoodShareGa...
Excerpt from an email from Chris Gallop to Jack, dated August 21, 2007:
"We hand-delivered 500 flyers to the surrounding streets to let people know this garden was being considered and to invite them to the consultation meeting. Volunteers also went door to door on Rankin Crescent to let them know about the meeting. While it's true that some people can't understand English or Portuguese, those two languages are understood by the vast majority of residents. While it's true that only 13 residents attended, we can't force people to attend meetings and every single person who did chose to come supported this project. Over the past three months that we have been working on this project, not a single person has raised an objection with our office to the installation of this garden until now."
500 flyers! You can't force people to read their mail properly. Therefore, yes, one can knock on 200 doors and people will honestly respond that they were not consulted. Volunteers went door to door on Rankin Crescent to let them know about the meeting. Then who is lying? Adam's office? For personal use -- how is a partnership with FoodShare for personal use? Moreover, FoodShare and Adam's office were willing to discuss compromises. This must have been a huge misunderstanding on your part and all those residents who ended up opposing the project?
It's a similar complaint Fuzzy Boundaries heard -- why wasn't the community informed of the first meeting? 5000 postcards were mailed out. You can't force people to look and read through their mail properly.
There are many who do good deeds in this area but do so quietly without fanfare. You and your merry bunch of men and women have been fighting the "good fight" for so long that now it seems you all cannot tell the difference between your friends and your enemies. Perhaps many of these people, myself included, would want to fight the "good fight" along your side but are discouraged due to all the drama and one sided angry atmosphere that is created.
Jack: For a guy who didn't want this to go back and forth, you seem to be having trouble letting a difference of opinion go.
Can you tell all of us if Friends of Campbell Park is a community group or a private club? It can't be both. Did the Friends of Campbell Park hold a public meeting to discuss a strategy in response to the closing of the outdoor hockey rink temporarily at Campbell Park? And for the third time, could you tell us did the police really threaten you or members of your non-group community group with arrest if you didn't stop preventing residents from depositing their garbage at the temporary site?
I'm also wondering if you agree with Campbell (who has done little more than resort to name calling here on your behalf) when she says "that the city always picks on communities that have a high ethnic, and social background and you will never see Rosedale or Forest Hill parks getting garbage dumped?" And finally, do you think there are other ways to communicate ideas without playing the victim? (as you are doing here and everytime you seek media attention)
Silent Figure, I can send you pictures of the size of the garden if you want??? Your comments only supports what I have been trying to say, this is about the garden, not about the strike or anything else we done in the past, anything we say or do will be an issue for you. Get over it. Like I said we/i will speak out if we need to. Frankly it don't matter what you say or think.
You talk of the truth but do not provide it yourself. You said in your past message that you knew nothing of Food Share being involved but mention it here. And as you know, the garden was only going to take up 1/8 to 1/4 of the park not 3/4 like you said. Adam even offered to have it moved to the south end of the park and it was to be used to provide food for those who you claim to help.
the things i have read here has made me see how people like to praise themselves ,,,good for you on that,,, but it would be nice to have you be useful on real important issues not a garden
it's time to start having your voices heard on important issues not just about a garden ,
it's time to start having your voices heard on important issues not just about a garden ,
I have said that I'am going to say to you , as for my age not that i have to tell you but i'm 60 and i was aound when the library was being considered and that's and i personally know those that got it espcially the man that has been spoken of ,
but have a great week and you believe what you wish and i will do the same
thanks G
Hi Brock and Campbell
This is not about Campbell Park or the Strike. This is about a couple of things:
1) About 2 yrs ago, a group of residents on campbell south of Wallce wanted a community garden, which was great, but what had happened and thanks to councillor Gimbrone and Food share, been so passionate about community gardens. Decided it was okay to take a very healthy and used park, been taken away from children, ordinary adults, daycare, dogwalker and so. Decided it would be okay to take and make 3/4 of the park a community garden, not sharing the park, but make it one big gardens, from 8 plots, now was 35 to 40 plots. There is so much more to explain, the lies,manipulation and making up things, but I'm skipping along. The residents decided to ask Adam for another revote, since he started this shit we wanted a fair community meeting, with a proper community consultation. And which ever the majority went, it would decided the fate of the park. Two things happened that night, one, the community was now divided, thanks to Adam, and that the majority of the community was against a garden. Now those who wanted the garden have been bitter since.
2) The other thing I find is. Some individuals and I mean, some. If you don't conform or believe in a certain groups way or ideology, you are an out cast and that makes you different. A group of us decided to speak against the dumping of garbage and spraying of pesticide and soforth. We are these bad people, we never said we represent the community, we were a group of residents called, FRIENDS OF CAMPBELL PARK. We have had many people thanking us for speaking out, I have emails and letters from professionals and ordinary citizens thanking us and to continue to speak out, which we did. It has only been a few people talking trash, which means squat to me. I/We will continue to speak out,, when we feel it's nesscessary to do so. So you can continue to talk trash, which means nothing to me. Thanks Campbell and Brock for trying to clarify things not for Virginia and me, but for the truth. Jack
I as a rule don't participate in blogging until now. I am reading everyones blogs and all I can say people are you all NUTS! Were is all this anger around 2 or more people coming from? If my memory serves me right, I don't recall Virginia or Jack or anyother person who spoke on camera refering themselves as spokespersons of the area. Everyone byline was either a resident or "Friends of Campbell Park" That was the brain child of a neighbour of mine, we go their quite frequently because our children play in the park together and it gives the wife a break from the kids.
The anger in some of the emails supprieses me to no end. Campbell, tried to calm everyone down with an explanation. I too was there not all the time, but was apart of some of the planning and activity to put preasure on the City to end this strick. You all could have been apart of it. My daughter was one of the children who was chalking at the wadding pool. There must have been 20 of us who live in and around the parkwho took part willingly in various events. No one EVER tried to make the community look bad. If you remember there was 22 dump sites.
Christie Pits was vocial. I remember watching the news one night and they were in your face with the residence who came to dump their trash at the park. There was Moss park another example. What you saw on TV was all of us asking residence to not dump in our parks so that our children could contiue to play there. Someone bloged that Jack and Virginia were yelling at the neighbours. The night my wife and I were at the park, Virginia spoke to one resident who was crying because she had to indure the stench saying "I'm sorry the city was so thoughtless in were they planned the dumpsite and you have to endure this for God know how long I"m so sorry. The women came to Virginia and they embraced. All of you have taken this way our of proportion. The friends of Christe Pits were there. I met a women from Earlscourt Park there was one other and the location I forget. I don't know quite frankly what the hipe is all about. Come on folks, there is plenty of work in this community without us stabing each other in the backs. We are all adults so lets start acting like adults. Look in the good in people not the bad.
i totolly agree with you finally someone with sence we do need to come together as a community and try to resolve the problems instead of plastering ourselfs on the news
I’m in no way jealous of people who beat there chest when they do something for others. I’m tired of the going back and forward with you in the end if there was anything of substance that these people had done for the community then none of you would have a problem posting it seeing that your quick to judge someone’s character , enough is enough get your facts and your grammar straight before posting any more comments directed at me thank you
I’m in no way jealous of people who beat there chest when they do something for others. I’m tired of the going back and forward with you in the end if there was anything of substance that these people had done for the community then none of you would have a problem posting it seeing that your quick to judge someone’s character , enough is enough get your facts and your grammar straight before posting any more comments directed at me thank you