Unfortunately, if one reads EVERYTHING from start to finish, there are so many more questions that needs answers. It goes beyond the garbage strike to so many past issues.
I think given what we know of how the process gets hijacked by using anger rather then calm discussions during public meetings, perhaps the next public meeting about ANY new initiatives, WE as a community should be careful not to listen to rumours or half-truths. WE as a community should be prepared to attend a meeting and listen to BOTH sides, even if one side is too busy screaming to let the other side be heard properly. WE as a community should understand that no matter how many flyers, posters, media articles get distributed, there will be others who will always complain that they had no idea that an event was happening. You cannot force people to read their mail properly, doesn't mean that the community wasn't properly informed.
WE need cooler heads during public meetings and that should prevail over all the angry shouting the next time there will be a public meeting over any issue pertaining to our area.
FOR THE LAST TIME FOLKS, I didn't say they were the spokes people for the area now did I? Why do you keep saying that when you are presented with the truth? You all seem to be refering to that. I sence a bit of jeliousy in your tone......I wish it we me and not them talking in the linelight. I guess you could have if you had been there. The trucks were there plenty of times. But by the sounds of it you don't live near the park. The kids didn't play at the park.....very little...parents didn't want then near the park because of then spraying. The soccer games only went until Friday and they left they were suppose to have returned by now. My nieghbour said that there were people from the soccer managment office who were drawing lines on the grass. But have not been playing so far.Now you need you get your facts straight.
AGAIN, no one have ever slamed this community down. Where on earth did you get that impression from? Jack I know and even the residence that were interviewed has said that the city always picks on communities that have a high ethnic, and social background and you will never see Rosedale or Forest Hill parks getting garbage dumped. ( there was something posted on the internet from someone who was on the committe who said that when they were choosing the sights, they were picking areas that high consentration of low income and ethnic population. That was so no one could block or stand in their way.) No negitive was ever mentioned. Virgina has often said that the parks were our childrdn play should never been considered and that there are other properties that the city owns that could have been used instead. So tell me how is that negitive. And yes the residence who use that park for one thing or another were in morning again you don't or refuse to see that. You hate anything that makes sence and distorte the truth to fiction. I have come to realize that no matter who tries to explain the true facts to you, you will never believe it anyway because in your head you see something very different. Again their are 10.000 residence and a small handful of unhappy people that complain. By the way how old are you? The library at Dupont was being considered back in the late 70's early 80"s. Yeah, I do know more then you think I know I am 74.
Please do not judge someone you do not know. I don’t hate anyone for being vocal you can say anything you wish but please do take it upon yourself to speak or make a statement for everyone. My question was not what Virginia has done for you and your husband but what has she done for the neighbourhood .to better it for everyone in the area.
Respect my dear friend is a two way street you must give it in order to get it back .
I have the ability to stand up and fight for what I think is right so don’t assume or accuse me of not doing so just because my face is not all over the media does not mean I sit on the side lines.
I suggest before you write something you , yourself get your facts straight your right this man that I spoke of was not the only one involved he had 2 others work with him on the project BUT not any of who’s names you put down , it’s always easy to take credit for something you have not done. But I guess you didn’t realize I was there when this going on and didn’t see any of you there.
Funny how she was awarded something from the police yet there is no record of it any where that you would find it.
I will keep in mind that If I ever need hearing aids I will ask where you purchased yours ,
I’m by no means a negative person nor do I put anyone down , but I have a problem of people putting down our neighbourhood and making it sound like we are the worst area to live in , and why not try when throwing out a problem having a solution ready .
You have no right to call me foolish , angry or bitter on the grounds that you don’t know me those who had a candle vigil and put wreaths at Campbell as if someone had died and were dressed as a boxer jumping around were the foolish ones our park didn’t die , and even the rink being used as a dump didn’t keep people from playing games there
In closing maybe these people should stop thinking that they are the spoke person for everyone in the area . And instead of avoiding the question answer us and let us know what have they done that has helped the community in a whole not just you and
all of a sudden you want to close the forum , i'm a believer in finishing what you started , you did this in order to get answers to your questions then why not press it instead of ending the forum .maybe with facts not fiction we would have real answers instead of coming up with conclusions that may not be true then maybe the neighbours could come together instead of drifting apart
it's intresting how you can;t point out what you have actually done for the neighbourhood , all this has been a circus maybe you should realize that people are not agianst Jack and Virgina but against the fact that they feel they speak for everyone who lives in the area , i blame them as much as the media for not talking to more of us in the area , and as for the libary in question Virginia and micheal had nothing to do with that so get your facts straight before you bash anyone, i should know i work at the library in question .
In closing I will say this. There will always be individuals who never see eye to eye. But when the truth is spoken then enbrase it don't try to distorte the truth to make it sound worse then it is. I always thought that we look for good in people and that the truth is there for the taking. I have offered you the facts no window dressing but pure truth, and no matter how someone tries to explain it to you it gets twisted into what you want to believe. I say that you have had your head in the sand for to long and you need to get some fresh air. Take care my good neighbours I am so done with all of you. I can't say I had fun. I only feel sorry for each of you that live in your small twisted word.
I am not condescending. Why is it when someone other then a small group of you who thrive on slamming individuals down....and now me, only see your side of any story and everybody else is wrong. The truth has been told to you by me, Jack and Virginia yet you Scott and Mandyand anyone else refusses to believe. One point I need to make. There was a women from the Earlscourt Park area. I saw her taking pictures and approached her I asked if she was media and she said no. She explained that she wished they had the same organized protest in her area as we did here. That everyone was to afriad to say or do anything. She congratulated us and told us to keep up the presure and don't back down. Another man from Dundas area said pretty much the same thing. I hear quite often that all of you feel that because of all the media attention on Campbell Park somehow it gave the rest of the city that the area a bad reputation and was made to look like a slum. The City of Toronto making the park a dumping site for garbage made it a slum no one else. My God that is so far left field it isn't funny. Nothing was ever that I saw made to look as though they or anyone else was slamming the community down. I think in all honesty you dislike Jack and Virginia and will go and make up stories that make them look bad. I watched on City TV one night the candlelight vigial that was held in the park. My husband and I were at the park for the vigial and when I saw the way the reporter presented the vigial in good taste, it was done on TV moved me to tears. Nothing was ever said about the people who live here or that it is a slum. It expressed from many people that night how we felt about the City using our parks as a dumping ground for garbage. And sports groups and children were the ones who lost out not being able to use the park. Why are you doing this? As I said to Mandy, all you see is black and white and not colour. Open your eyes my dear and you may be supprised to see what is really out there and that not all is as negative as you make it out to be.
I think we should close this forum now as I think it has served it purpose and exposed what needed to be exposed and I think residents can draw their own conclusions. At this point its just becoming biased rants.
A very strong effort was made by the Fuzzy Boundaries organizers to make sure EVERYONE in the community was invited to the meeting.
Thousands of flyers were delivered by Canada Post to every household and business in the neighbourhood (South of Perth, they were hand-delivered)
Newspaper articles in The Villager, and The Globe and Mail, interviews on radio and television
It was listed as an event on this website
It was emailed out to the SJTRA announcement email list
Many different groups within the community were contacted (SJTRA, a couple of community gardening groups, DIGIN, South Perth and Sterling RA, and others...)
It was spread by word of mouth
etc...etc....
I think this is pretty reasonable. If some people threw out their flyers before reading them, or, did not receive them because they don't accept "junk mail", then it's not the fault of the organizers. You can see that the first meeting had a great turnout, if you check the website.
Also....it should be noted that the Fuzzy Boundaries initiative is NOT necessarily about CHANGING the name. Many people at the meeting and on the FB committee actually like the Junction Triangle name. But at least group is open to everyone's opinions.
Everyone is welcome to post their opinions and preferences on the Fuzzy Boundaries website. Or come to the next meeting to make your voice heard. if you can't make it to the meeting, or can't use email/web, you can leave comments in the box at the Perth-Dupont library.
I never got any flyer about any meeting regarding changing our name. When my daughter was looking for a house in the city you be amazed at the different names communities have. We have the Junction and then the Junction triangle I don't see why all of a sudden a group of people to together to change a name that is known. And no not in a negitive way. My husband and I were talking about this a couple of weeks ago and he wounders if any of your who are on the fuzzy comminttee......I call it fuzzy head....will you change the name of the new committee that you are moving into because you don't like it?Leave things the way they are.
Mandy, my poor confused child. The candles were in morning of our lost park to you and anyone who dosen't live right by the park or have children who play at the park, the day the fencing went up and the garbage came in was in our eyes a funeral of a family memeber. I feel so sorry for you. You only see black and white and distort what is really there. You and others have made mention of others in the community who have done good work for our community. More hand less work for others as my father use to say. There is room for a pat on the back for everyone. But your words my dear worry me. You sound young and I feel some have taken you in a wrong direction. If you are looking from the inside and wishes you could be doing the same thing....go for it! You are right Jack and Virginia are not the only ones in the community, but are brave enough to take on sujects and problems and serious issues others sweep under the rug and go on pretending nothing is wrong. Come on girl, and try to see others in a different light life is to short to be net-picking and putting honest people down because your unhappy. Take care dear and SMILE!!!
I have never in my life seen a bunch of people who hate someone because they are vocial. I have lived in this area for the past 52 years. I too have see a lot. Virginia has been active in the community as long as I have known her. She has helped my husband and I on some issues that we had trouble resolving. No I am not one of their groupies. They are good people and deserve our respect. Tell me would you have the gusts to do what they do? You sit in the bleachers and critizise. For your information this man who you refer to was not the only one that worked at bring the library to Dupont. Virginia myself, and a man by the name of Micheal, and others. She worked and still does work with police in getting drugs and guns of our streets. And given an award from the police for her part in crime provention. She doesn't mention that. And as for the lady she helped, that could be anyone.
The night that Jack and Virginia were talking to the Mayor a gas leek on Lansdowne took place and CP24 had to relocate. They both were suppose to speak off and on with him but were only allowed to ask one question. Jack asked the Mayor, if you had your hearing aid on you would have heard what was said "Mr Mayor if the strike doesn't get resolved soon would you consider resining?" I was there I and others heard it. We had asked Jack to ask him that question because quite frankly he sucks as Mayor.
No matter what I or anyone else will say to you or any of those who have put them both down, that is your nature. you are a negitive person. You hate them and will speak badly of them no matter what they do. I saw Virginia and Jack last night at the park and we spoke of the way some of you have been bashing them. They smiled and said we can't please everyone and they have a right to speak. I am not so kind to you. Shame on all of you for the way you have treated them. To all the residence on the street they worked hard to make sure the park is getting cleaned up and safe for everyone. Yes it was two weeks ago but my dear foolish girl it still stinks in some areas of the park and the garbage trucks damaged the ground near the rink. Before you judge anyone please get all your fact in place. I don't know why you are so bitter and angry all the time at people who try to make a difference. But you have got to stop and celebrate life and the people who help not bash them....That in my oppion is so high school.
you want to get real ok there maybe trains already going through our area but if we can change what kind of fuel they will use i think that's a benifit , and you talk as if your the queen bee of the neighbourhood some of us have been areound here longer then you so get off your high horse
I can tell that you are Virginas groupie but you need to get you facts straight I have lived in the area for over 37 years and have seen a lot . What they did at Campbell park was a joke , they are so worried about pollution and chemicals left in the ground your talking about something that was there 2 weeks , we have other sites in the area that has chemicals in the ground and the fact that we are going to have all those rains going by causing all that pollution yet I don’t see those two doing anything. I guess because there face wouldn’t be in the media
As for your comment about them talking to the mayor that’s a joke because Jake only said to the Mayor shame seems like that was all he knew how to say all along through this whole thing there was not one direct question asked to the Mayor.
If Virginia helped this woman it is unbelievable that you would even mention that on a blog that many see because that is a very private situation and I‘m sure the woman wouldn’t like everyone knowing , and how dare you say that no one else in the area would step up and help her or anyone else in the same situation .I would like you to tell me what these 2 people have done for our neighbourhood , I personally know the man who is responsible for getting the Perth park up graded to a junior play ground seeing that all it was years ago was a sitting area nothing for the kids to play , he also fought for us to get the symington bus and those lights at the end of symington and Perth so no one would get killed crossing the road he is also the one who got us the Perth Dupont public library but with him he does things but does not go around announcing it .
What took place at Campbell park was a circus there was no need to do what was done including giving the residents a hard time when dropping off garbage and that woman taking pictures of the people dropping it off your extremely luck I was not one of whom she took a picture because I would have taken the film away from her it’s against the law to take pictures of people with out there consent.
Why don’t you tell us some of the things this woman has done if any for the neighbourhood and then maybe people wouldn’t put her down as we do but either way Virginia and Jack have no right to speak on behalf of all the residents of the area
i watched Jack on cp24 talking to the Mayor the only thing he said was shame there was not one direct question to the Mayor second he is a tax payer like all of us but it he doesn't have the right to speak for all of us , between the wreaths and the candles and everything else he and Virginia were doing only made it seem like a circus , it seems to me that if the both of them are getting there faces on tv then they are at the front of the line but other wise no one sees them. so please stop making our neighbourhood sound like the slums they also have no right to be ordering people to take the garbage else where or taking there pictures , and if he was so concerned about people taking there garbage to the transfer station then he sould have offered the use of his van to transport it .
Mandy
I have come home from vacation with my family and decided to peek at what the neighbourhood was up to. What the HELL is going on with some of you? I live near the park and I can tell you that no one on the street was happy about the garbage on the street. What piss the neighbours off most of all was no thought process went into planning were garbage would be dumped. The children could not play in the rink which they do. The soccer games went to a different park, and from what I understand, Christie Pits soccer teams came to Campbell because they couldn't use their park. Not to mention the stench from the garbage was unbelievable. Many of the neighbours including myself approached Virgina when we saw the fencing going up. Virginia along with Jack(who I meet for the first time) spoke to all of us that were at the park that day. We pleaded with them to do whatever it took to stop the garbage from coming in.
Virginia remined us that there probably would not be much from stoping it but to put presure on the City to rethink of opening up another dump site at another park.
You have been rotten and mean sperited towards them and I take offence to your constant belittling of both of them. You keep saying that they made the community look bad and all the protest were a circus. My question to all of you is.....Who died and made you judge and jurry? I bet you that you don't even live near the park nor do you know Virginia and Jack well enoughto slam their names to the ground. Someone on this blog wrote..."a temporary problem, to a tempory sallution". I don't know if you have been here today but near the rink were the basket ball net is STINKS. I was told that after the garbage was hulled out both Virgina and Jack were here to walk city and other officals around to make sure the park was back to orginial state. From what the neighbours around here said that they were here quite offen making sure what was promised by the City was done. Were any of you yahoos around supervising the clean-up? I think not. But you are quick to knock them down at first change. Is it envy of not being the one in the spotlight or do you just enjoy bashing people.
I don't know Jack to well but I do know Virginia. I can tell you she would take the shirt of her back to help you. I do know that there was a young mother who had no money to buy food for her family after her husband left her with not money. Virginia took the mother shopping and payed for all her food and anything else she needed until she could apply for welfare. Would you do that? She has worked without fan fare or money to make your community a better place. In some cases the appartments that perhaps some of you may live in. Most of you sound young and think you know it all. Not everything. My husband and I have known Virginia for a great many years. I trust her and her word is sacrad.
Getting back to the garbage. Virginia and Jack were not the only ones protesting, marching or in the media. In many caces they stood back and allowed us to voice our opinions. Both of them broke up would be fights with union and those dumping their garbage in our park. Even the children who lost out on the summer at the park were given a change to let the Mayor know how they felt. Tell me somethng, why are you not bashing Christie Pits? They were the first ones who were vocial. They did nothing wrong but shame the city and the Union. I was told by union members that their union president and brass wanted to go on strike. And of course the Mayor got his streetcars. Guest who lost in this one the community. I and others strongly feel that the presure that both Virginia, Jack and company had a hudge barring on the outcome of the strike.
Ok folks I will leave you now. I don't care what your political offiliation are or what you care to do in your spare time but leave those individuals who care enough to take risks to get the message and the point across. And if you still haven't figured that out, it was because the city and union used our park as a dumping ground with no regards for anyone but their own egos.
Jack and Virginia if you are reading the blog, the community would like to take this opportunity to thank you both for the hard work you do not only during the strike but in everything you do for us.....Don't listen to fools who spend their time being critical and negative.
Jack i watched you on cp24 talking to the Mayor the only thing you said was shame there was not one direct question to the Mayor second you are a tax payer like everyone else but that doesn't give you the right to speak for all of us , between the wreaths and the candles and everything else you and Virginia were doing only made it seem like a circus , it seems to me that if the both of you
are getting your faces on tv then you are at the front of the line but other wise no one sees you. so please stop making our neighbourhood sound like the slums .you also have no right to be ordering people to take the garbage else where or taking there pictures , and if you were so concerned about people taking there garbage to the transfer station then you such have offered the use of your van to transport it .
Mandy
Hey Vic, At this point we don't need volunteers, as far as donation we will be needing that. We have postponed our opening til January 2010. We had a tentative opening date, a week before Thanksgivings, but had to change that. With the recession going on and doing business in the summer has been hard and you don't want to push or expect to much from your volunteers. A group of us have been meeting since april, which consist of some residents, police, rep. from different places of worship, community group(DPNC) and representation from of our 3 elected officals office. Which brings me to the last part. This has been extremly hard as we have had no help or idea's coming from Tony's office. Another projected spearheaded by residents. The lead should of been taken by the provincal government of davenport, it's funny, it becomes a platform issues during election, but that's about it. Anyhow we have a good group of people and will prevail. Vic will be sending out a letter to all the residents and business in the catchemnt area telling them about the breakfast program and how they can help, with donations and volunteering. We are stilling working out the details, but we have been told because we are dealing with children and this is pretty much a policy right across the board, that we would require from our volunteers a police check. I will keep you posted. Jack
Jack has mentioned the breakfast program on the Fuzzy Boundaries site. A few people have asked about how to get involved etc. Are you looking for any donations or volunteers?
it's not about the protest as much as it's about the methods used to voice your opinions. the ends should not justify the means. hey, wasn't there a project for a community centre in our area that got thwarted awhile back...
Not a beat was missed regarding the breakfeast program. We continued the meetings during the strike. I only see a small percentage of people who will always disagree. 7 from 10,000 residence is not everyone. You and your cronies are the only ones who keep saying we are bringing the community down. I don't think so. At this point you have your shades on and only see one picture....Your picture. Remember, Jack and I were not the only ones at the park there were many, many more. The rink for your information, is used to play ball hockey and basketball. Soccer was played until the end of the week and then they had to leave. The soccer games played at Christie Pits came to Campbell that same week the garbage came to Campbell. If you were in the know as you say your are then you would have know that. The negavitive didn't come from Jack or I, it came from the residence getting mad that garbage was being dumped in their park so close to houses and the play ground. I suspect that you do not live near Campbell Park that's why your comments are totaly out there.
Our neighbours encouraged us to be vocal if you watched the news footage we were not the only ones there. So everyone's idea that Jack and I are a one man show. You need to clean your glasses.
That's it for me. Think what you want I frankly don't give a dam.
Its unfortunate that they used Campbell Park for a dumpsite. Heck I been using that park since I was a kid. It was Home field when I played for Kent and we practiced a few times there when I went to Bloor Collegiate. I've been here since grade 4, crica 85-86.
In my years I've never heard of these "Champions" of the neighborhood. Hey, I dont mean to discredit all your work over the years - I was a kid - why the hell would I care about politrixs and the hood back then. I was more interested in when the next wall ball game was going down.
Ask me now and its a different story......
Anyhow, I wanted comment on the dumpsite. As my mom who lives on St Clarens didn't want me to take her garbage to the Campbell site. Why you ask? She saw the fiasco and chaos on the news and as a senior she was very hesitant to have me (and her) go down together and get into a situation with picketers or protesters. To calm her nerves I told her lets go down to Lakeshore instead (another poor site decision by Silly Hall). Is this bullying I dont think directly, but people as you can see in my moms case didn't want to have anything to do with Campbell. In our case the garbage was handled by me and we had a car. I feel sorry for the elderly which do not have the options my mom did during this strike.
Just a little perspective view point from the elderly.
thanks.
Ranajit
PS - Hope I'm not one of the 7 living in a bubble, cause thats a bunch of BS.
Yes the NDP. I have worked along side of them and they are flakey. They are negative and enjoy putting people down. I alway atribute it to low self- assteam. You and the 7 others who I have notice visit the site are shallow as you are in your vies of others that give to the community. You are the one who lives in a glass bubble and only wishes you could attchieve what Jack and I and other before us have done. The way I see it is if their views are not on your wave pattern you condem them. Accutually, you are making yourself look follish not me. Again Scott, have a good summer. You know I love you.
Unfortunately, if one reads EVERYTHING from start to finish, there are so many more questions that needs answers. It goes beyond the garbage strike to so many past issues.
I think given what we know of how the process gets hijacked by using anger rather then calm discussions during public meetings, perhaps the next public meeting about ANY new initiatives, WE as a community should be careful not to listen to rumours or half-truths. WE as a community should be prepared to attend a meeting and listen to BOTH sides, even if one side is too busy screaming to let the other side be heard properly. WE as a community should understand that no matter how many flyers, posters, media articles get distributed, there will be others who will always complain that they had no idea that an event was happening. You cannot force people to read their mail properly, doesn't mean that the community wasn't properly informed.
WE need cooler heads during public meetings and that should prevail over all the angry shouting the next time there will be a public meeting over any issue pertaining to our area.
i have to be old enough if i was involved in the processes of getting the libaray don't you think other wise how would i know who was there
FOR THE LAST TIME FOLKS, I didn't say they were the spokes people for the area now did I? Why do you keep saying that when you are presented with the truth? You all seem to be refering to that. I sence a bit of jeliousy in your tone......I wish it we me and not them talking in the linelight. I guess you could have if you had been there. The trucks were there plenty of times. But by the sounds of it you don't live near the park. The kids didn't play at the park.....very little...parents didn't want then near the park because of then spraying. The soccer games only went until Friday and they left they were suppose to have returned by now. My nieghbour said that there were people from the soccer managment office who were drawing lines on the grass. But have not been playing so far.Now you need you get your facts straight.
AGAIN, no one have ever slamed this community down. Where on earth did you get that impression from? Jack I know and even the residence that were interviewed has said that the city always picks on communities that have a high ethnic, and social background and you will never see Rosedale or Forest Hill parks getting garbage dumped. ( there was something posted on the internet from someone who was on the committe who said that when they were choosing the sights, they were picking areas that high consentration of low income and ethnic population. That was so no one could block or stand in their way.) No negitive was ever mentioned. Virgina has often said that the parks were our childrdn play should never been considered and that there are other properties that the city owns that could have been used instead. So tell me how is that negitive. And yes the residence who use that park for one thing or another were in morning again you don't or refuse to see that. You hate anything that makes sence and distorte the truth to fiction. I have come to realize that no matter who tries to explain the true facts to you, you will never believe it anyway because in your head you see something very different. Again their are 10.000 residence and a small handful of unhappy people that complain. By the way how old are you? The library at Dupont was being considered back in the late 70's early 80"s. Yeah, I do know more then you think I know I am 74.
Please do not judge someone you do not know. I don’t hate anyone for being vocal you can say anything you wish but please do take it upon yourself to speak or make a statement for everyone. My question was not what Virginia has done for you and your husband but what has she done for the neighbourhood .to better it for everyone in the area.
Respect my dear friend is a two way street you must give it in order to get it back .
I have the ability to stand up and fight for what I think is right so don’t assume or accuse me of not doing so just because my face is not all over the media does not mean I sit on the side lines.
I suggest before you write something you , yourself get your facts straight your right this man that I spoke of was not the only one involved he had 2 others work with him on the project BUT not any of who’s names you put down , it’s always easy to take credit for something you have not done. But I guess you didn’t realize I was there when this going on and didn’t see any of you there.
Funny how she was awarded something from the police yet there is no record of it any where that you would find it.
I will keep in mind that If I ever need hearing aids I will ask where you purchased yours ,
I’m by no means a negative person nor do I put anyone down , but I have a problem of people putting down our neighbourhood and making it sound like we are the worst area to live in , and why not try when throwing out a problem having a solution ready .
You have no right to call me foolish , angry or bitter on the grounds that you don’t know me those who had a candle vigil and put wreaths at Campbell as if someone had died and were dressed as a boxer jumping around were the foolish ones our park didn’t die , and even the rink being used as a dump didn’t keep people from playing games there
In closing maybe these people should stop thinking that they are the spoke person for everyone in the area . And instead of avoiding the question answer us and let us know what have they done that has helped the community in a whole not just you and
all of a sudden you want to close the forum , i'm a believer in finishing what you started , you did this in order to get answers to your questions then why not press it instead of ending the forum .maybe with facts not fiction we would have real answers instead of coming up with conclusions that may not be true then maybe the neighbours could come together instead of drifting apart
it's intresting how you can;t point out what you have actually done for the neighbourhood , all this has been a circus maybe you should realize that people are not agianst Jack and Virgina but against the fact that they feel they speak for everyone who lives in the area , i blame them as much as the media for not talking to more of us in the area , and as for the libary in question Virginia and micheal had nothing to do with that so get your facts straight before you bash anyone, i should know i work at the library in question .
jess
In closing I will say this. There will always be individuals who never see eye to eye. But when the truth is spoken then enbrase it don't try to distorte the truth to make it sound worse then it is. I always thought that we look for good in people and that the truth is there for the taking. I have offered you the facts no window dressing but pure truth, and no matter how someone tries to explain it to you it gets twisted into what you want to believe. I say that you have had your head in the sand for to long and you need to get some fresh air. Take care my good neighbours I am so done with all of you. I can't say I had fun. I only feel sorry for each of you that live in your small twisted word.
I am not condescending. Why is it when someone other then a small group of you who thrive on slamming individuals down....and now me, only see your side of any story and everybody else is wrong. The truth has been told to you by me, Jack and Virginia yet you Scott and Mandyand anyone else refusses to believe. One point I need to make. There was a women from the Earlscourt Park area. I saw her taking pictures and approached her I asked if she was media and she said no. She explained that she wished they had the same organized protest in her area as we did here. That everyone was to afriad to say or do anything. She congratulated us and told us to keep up the presure and don't back down. Another man from Dundas area said pretty much the same thing. I hear quite often that all of you feel that because of all the media attention on Campbell Park somehow it gave the rest of the city that the area a bad reputation and was made to look like a slum. The City of Toronto making the park a dumping site for garbage made it a slum no one else. My God that is so far left field it isn't funny. Nothing was ever that I saw made to look as though they or anyone else was slamming the community down. I think in all honesty you dislike Jack and Virginia and will go and make up stories that make them look bad. I watched on City TV one night the candlelight vigial that was held in the park. My husband and I were at the park for the vigial and when I saw the way the reporter presented the vigial in good taste, it was done on TV moved me to tears. Nothing was ever said about the people who live here or that it is a slum. It expressed from many people that night how we felt about the City using our parks as a dumping ground for garbage. And sports groups and children were the ones who lost out not being able to use the park. Why are you doing this? As I said to Mandy, all you see is black and white and not colour. Open your eyes my dear and you may be supprised to see what is really out there and that not all is as negative as you make it out to be.
I think we should close this forum now as I think it has served it purpose and exposed what needed to be exposed and I think residents can draw their own conclusions. At this point its just becoming biased rants.
"Campbell" your message is really condescending to Mandy whoever she is. Its says a lot more about you than her.
A very strong effort was made by the Fuzzy Boundaries organizers to make sure EVERYONE in the community was invited to the meeting.
I think this is pretty reasonable. If some people threw out their flyers before reading them, or, did not receive them because they don't accept "junk mail", then it's not the fault of the organizers. You can see that the first meeting had a great turnout, if you check the website.
Also....it should be noted that the Fuzzy Boundaries initiative is NOT necessarily about CHANGING the name. Many people at the meeting and on the FB committee actually like the Junction Triangle name. But at least group is open to everyone's opinions.
Everyone is welcome to post their opinions and preferences on the Fuzzy Boundaries website. Or come to the next meeting to make your voice heard. if you can't make it to the meeting, or can't use email/web, you can leave comments in the box at the Perth-Dupont library.
It's a pretty inclusive exercise.
Cheers,
Vic
I never got any flyer about any meeting regarding changing our name. When my daughter was looking for a house in the city you be amazed at the different names communities have. We have the Junction and then the Junction triangle I don't see why all of a sudden a group of people to together to change a name that is known. And no not in a negitive way. My husband and I were talking about this a couple of weeks ago and he wounders if any of your who are on the fuzzy comminttee......I call it fuzzy head....will you change the name of the new committee that you are moving into because you don't like it?Leave things the way they are.
Mandy, my poor confused child. The candles were in morning of our lost park to you and anyone who dosen't live right by the park or have children who play at the park, the day the fencing went up and the garbage came in was in our eyes a funeral of a family memeber. I feel so sorry for you. You only see black and white and distort what is really there. You and others have made mention of others in the community who have done good work for our community. More hand less work for others as my father use to say. There is room for a pat on the back for everyone. But your words my dear worry me. You sound young and I feel some have taken you in a wrong direction. If you are looking from the inside and wishes you could be doing the same thing....go for it! You are right Jack and Virginia are not the only ones in the community, but are brave enough to take on sujects and problems and serious issues others sweep under the rug and go on pretending nothing is wrong. Come on girl, and try to see others in a different light life is to short to be net-picking and putting honest people down because your unhappy. Take care dear and SMILE!!!
I have never in my life seen a bunch of people who hate someone because they are vocial. I have lived in this area for the past 52 years. I too have see a lot. Virginia has been active in the community as long as I have known her. She has helped my husband and I on some issues that we had trouble resolving. No I am not one of their groupies. They are good people and deserve our respect. Tell me would you have the gusts to do what they do? You sit in the bleachers and critizise. For your information this man who you refer to was not the only one that worked at bring the library to Dupont. Virginia myself, and a man by the name of Micheal, and others. She worked and still does work with police in getting drugs and guns of our streets. And given an award from the police for her part in crime provention. She doesn't mention that. And as for the lady she helped, that could be anyone.
The night that Jack and Virginia were talking to the Mayor a gas leek on Lansdowne took place and CP24 had to relocate. They both were suppose to speak off and on with him but were only allowed to ask one question. Jack asked the Mayor, if you had your hearing aid on you would have heard what was said "Mr Mayor if the strike doesn't get resolved soon would you consider resining?" I was there I and others heard it. We had asked Jack to ask him that question because quite frankly he sucks as Mayor.
No matter what I or anyone else will say to you or any of those who have put them both down, that is your nature. you are a negitive person. You hate them and will speak badly of them no matter what they do. I saw Virginia and Jack last night at the park and we spoke of the way some of you have been bashing them. They smiled and said we can't please everyone and they have a right to speak. I am not so kind to you. Shame on all of you for the way you have treated them. To all the residence on the street they worked hard to make sure the park is getting cleaned up and safe for everyone. Yes it was two weeks ago but my dear foolish girl it still stinks in some areas of the park and the garbage trucks damaged the ground near the rink. Before you judge anyone please get all your fact in place. I don't know why you are so bitter and angry all the time at people who try to make a difference. But you have got to stop and celebrate life and the people who help not bash them....That in my oppion is so high school.
you want to get real ok there maybe trains already going through our area but if we can change what kind of fuel they will use i think that's a benifit , and you talk as if your the queen bee of the neighbourhood some of us have been areound here longer then you so get off your high horse
I can tell that you are Virginas groupie but you need to get you facts straight I have lived in the area for over 37 years and have seen a lot . What they did at Campbell park was a joke , they are so worried about pollution and chemicals left in the ground your talking about something that was there 2 weeks , we have other sites in the area that has chemicals in the ground and the fact that we are going to have all those rains going by causing all that pollution yet I don’t see those two doing anything. I guess because there face wouldn’t be in the media
As for your comment about them talking to the mayor that’s a joke because Jake only said to the Mayor shame seems like that was all he knew how to say all along through this whole thing there was not one direct question asked to the Mayor.
If Virginia helped this woman it is unbelievable that you would even mention that on a blog that many see because that is a very private situation and I‘m sure the woman wouldn’t like everyone knowing , and how dare you say that no one else in the area would step up and help her or anyone else in the same situation .I would like you to tell me what these 2 people have done for our neighbourhood , I personally know the man who is responsible for getting the Perth park up graded to a junior play ground seeing that all it was years ago was a sitting area nothing for the kids to play , he also fought for us to get the symington bus and those lights at the end of symington and Perth so no one would get killed crossing the road he is also the one who got us the Perth Dupont public library but with him he does things but does not go around announcing it .
What took place at Campbell park was a circus there was no need to do what was done including giving the residents a hard time when dropping off garbage and that woman taking pictures of the people dropping it off your extremely luck I was not one of whom she took a picture because I would have taken the film away from her it’s against the law to take pictures of people with out there consent.
Why don’t you tell us some of the things this woman has done if any for the neighbourhood and then maybe people wouldn’t put her down as we do but either way Virginia and Jack have no right to speak on behalf of all the residents of the area
mandy
i watched Jack on cp24 talking to the Mayor the only thing he said was shame there was not one direct question to the Mayor second he is a tax payer like all of us but it he doesn't have the right to speak for all of us , between the wreaths and the candles and everything else he and Virginia were doing only made it seem like a circus , it seems to me that if the both of them are getting there faces on tv then they are at the front of the line but other wise no one sees them. so please stop making our neighbourhood sound like the slums they also have no right to be ordering people to take the garbage else where or taking there pictures , and if he was so concerned about people taking there garbage to the transfer station then he sould have offered the use of his van to transport it .
Mandy
I have come home from vacation with my family and decided to peek at what the neighbourhood was up to. What the HELL is going on with some of you? I live near the park and I can tell you that no one on the street was happy about the garbage on the street. What piss the neighbours off most of all was no thought process went into planning were garbage would be dumped. The children could not play in the rink which they do. The soccer games went to a different park, and from what I understand, Christie Pits soccer teams came to Campbell because they couldn't use their park. Not to mention the stench from the garbage was unbelievable. Many of the neighbours including myself approached Virgina when we saw the fencing going up. Virginia along with Jack(who I meet for the first time) spoke to all of us that were at the park that day. We pleaded with them to do whatever it took to stop the garbage from coming in.
Virginia remined us that there probably would not be much from stoping it but to put presure on the City to rethink of opening up another dump site at another park.
You have been rotten and mean sperited towards them and I take offence to your constant belittling of both of them. You keep saying that they made the community look bad and all the protest were a circus. My question to all of you is.....Who died and made you judge and jurry? I bet you that you don't even live near the park nor do you know Virginia and Jack well enoughto slam their names to the ground. Someone on this blog wrote..."a temporary problem, to a tempory sallution". I don't know if you have been here today but near the rink were the basket ball net is STINKS. I was told that after the garbage was hulled out both Virgina and Jack were here to walk city and other officals around to make sure the park was back to orginial state. From what the neighbours around here said that they were here quite offen making sure what was promised by the City was done. Were any of you yahoos around supervising the clean-up? I think not. But you are quick to knock them down at first change. Is it envy of not being the one in the spotlight or do you just enjoy bashing people.
I don't know Jack to well but I do know Virginia. I can tell you she would take the shirt of her back to help you. I do know that there was a young mother who had no money to buy food for her family after her husband left her with not money. Virginia took the mother shopping and payed for all her food and anything else she needed until she could apply for welfare. Would you do that? She has worked without fan fare or money to make your community a better place. In some cases the appartments that perhaps some of you may live in. Most of you sound young and think you know it all. Not everything. My husband and I have known Virginia for a great many years. I trust her and her word is sacrad.
Getting back to the garbage. Virginia and Jack were not the only ones protesting, marching or in the media. In many caces they stood back and allowed us to voice our opinions. Both of them broke up would be fights with union and those dumping their garbage in our park. Even the children who lost out on the summer at the park were given a change to let the Mayor know how they felt. Tell me somethng, why are you not bashing Christie Pits? They were the first ones who were vocial. They did nothing wrong but shame the city and the Union. I was told by union members that their union president and brass wanted to go on strike. And of course the Mayor got his streetcars. Guest who lost in this one the community. I and others strongly feel that the presure that both Virginia, Jack and company had a hudge barring on the outcome of the strike.
Ok folks I will leave you now. I don't care what your political offiliation are or what you care to do in your spare time but leave those individuals who care enough to take risks to get the message and the point across. And if you still haven't figured that out, it was because the city and union used our park as a dumping ground with no regards for anyone but their own egos.
Jack and Virginia if you are reading the blog, the community would like to take this opportunity to thank you both for the hard work you do not only during the strike but in everything you do for us.....Don't listen to fools who spend their time being critical and negative.
Jack i watched you on cp24 talking to the Mayor the only thing you said was shame there was not one direct question to the Mayor second you are a tax payer like everyone else but that doesn't give you the right to speak for all of us , between the wreaths and the candles and everything else you and Virginia were doing only made it seem like a circus , it seems to me that if the both of you
are getting your faces on tv then you are at the front of the line but other wise no one sees you. so please stop making our neighbourhood sound like the slums .you also have no right to be ordering people to take the garbage else where or taking there pictures , and if you were so concerned about people taking there garbage to the transfer station then you such have offered the use of your van to transport it .
Mandy
Hey Vic, At this point we don't need volunteers, as far as donation we will be needing that. We have postponed our opening til January 2010. We had a tentative opening date, a week before Thanksgivings, but had to change that. With the recession going on and doing business in the summer has been hard and you don't want to push or expect to much from your volunteers. A group of us have been meeting since april, which consist of some residents, police, rep. from different places of worship, community group(DPNC) and representation from of our 3 elected officals office. Which brings me to the last part. This has been extremly hard as we have had no help or idea's coming from Tony's office. Another projected spearheaded by residents. The lead should of been taken by the provincal government of davenport, it's funny, it becomes a platform issues during election, but that's about it. Anyhow we have a good group of people and will prevail. Vic will be sending out a letter to all the residents and business in the catchemnt area telling them about the breakfast program and how they can help, with donations and volunteering. We are stilling working out the details, but we have been told because we are dealing with children and this is pretty much a policy right across the board, that we would require from our volunteers a police check. I will keep you posted. Jack
Jack has mentioned the breakfast program on the Fuzzy Boundaries site. A few people have asked about how to get involved etc. Are you looking for any donations or volunteers?
it's not about the protest as much as it's about the methods used to voice your opinions. the ends should not justify the means. hey, wasn't there a project for a community centre in our area that got thwarted awhile back...
Not a beat was missed regarding the breakfeast program. We continued the meetings during the strike. I only see a small percentage of people who will always disagree. 7 from 10,000 residence is not everyone. You and your cronies are the only ones who keep saying we are bringing the community down. I don't think so. At this point you have your shades on and only see one picture....Your picture. Remember, Jack and I were not the only ones at the park there were many, many more. The rink for your information, is used to play ball hockey and basketball. Soccer was played until the end of the week and then they had to leave. The soccer games played at Christie Pits came to Campbell that same week the garbage came to Campbell. If you were in the know as you say your are then you would have know that. The negavitive didn't come from Jack or I, it came from the residence getting mad that garbage was being dumped in their park so close to houses and the play ground. I suspect that you do not live near Campbell Park that's why your comments are totaly out there.
Our neighbours encouraged us to be vocal if you watched the news footage we were not the only ones there. So everyone's idea that Jack and I are a one man show. You need to clean your glasses.
That's it for me. Think what you want I frankly don't give a dam.
Its unfortunate that they used Campbell Park for a dumpsite. Heck I been using that park since I was a kid. It was Home field when I played for Kent and we practiced a few times there when I went to Bloor Collegiate. I've been here since grade 4, crica 85-86.
In my years I've never heard of these "Champions" of the neighborhood. Hey, I dont mean to discredit all your work over the years - I was a kid - why the hell would I care about politrixs and the hood back then. I was more interested in when the next wall ball game was going down.
Ask me now and its a different story......
Anyhow, I wanted comment on the dumpsite. As my mom who lives on St Clarens didn't want me to take her garbage to the Campbell site. Why you ask? She saw the fiasco and chaos on the news and as a senior she was very hesitant to have me (and her) go down together and get into a situation with picketers or protesters. To calm her nerves I told her lets go down to Lakeshore instead (another poor site decision by Silly Hall). Is this bullying I dont think directly, but people as you can see in my moms case didn't want to have anything to do with Campbell. In our case the garbage was handled by me and we had a car. I feel sorry for the elderly which do not have the options my mom did during this strike.
Just a little perspective view point from the elderly.
thanks.
Ranajit
PS - Hope I'm not one of the 7 living in a bubble, cause thats a bunch of BS.
Yes the NDP. I have worked along side of them and they are flakey. They are negative and enjoy putting people down. I alway atribute it to low self- assteam. You and the 7 others who I have notice visit the site are shallow as you are in your vies of others that give to the community. You are the one who lives in a glass bubble and only wishes you could attchieve what Jack and I and other before us have done. The way I see it is if their views are not on your wave pattern you condem them. Accutually, you are making yourself look follish not me. Again Scott, have a good summer. You know I love you.