Brownstones on Wallace

The Brownstones on Wallace townhouses on Wallace Ave., west of Perth Ave. are now being developed. Use this forum to discuss this development site.

Editor's Note: This development was completed several years ago, units are occupied, etc. Further discussion about internal condo policies, etc., should probably be done in a private place. For that, there's a Facebook group (link below). Comments are now closed on this forum.

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Well said! If people are to

Well said!

If people are to be complacent with a given situation, no resolution would be on the horizon. As a result of these message boards and our discussion of the situation, other potential purchasers in other Brownstone developments have been educated about the possible delays they might face. Had we all just resigned to our fate and kept to ourselves, we would not be able to enlighten others.

This forum is fantastic for

This forum is fantastic for somebody like me who bought a downe at Davenport Village last summer 2009. With all the info I have read here, I have a pretty good idea what to expect from the builder, though so far I have read mostly bad news re delays... delays .. delays ... I just hope to continue to read from BOB and BOW owners once they move in and hopefully with positive feedback. So please, continue to complain, if you must, for our sake of being informed.

I so agree!!! People need the

I so agree!!! People need the forum to discuss their concerns. Although i'm not happy the delay has taken so long ...i bought April 2007, it was commendable of the builder to even create this board for owners to communicate.

The only thing left to console myself is that i'm hoping our property value has increased since we've been waiting 3 years!!! So hopefully by move in we'll have good equity built up.

Anyone know what price the Soho's or going for now?

too much complaining

for all of you who are upset about waiting awhile to get into your new condos and lofts... quit cryin' will ya?? all your whining gives me a headache. be gratefull that your are in the position that you are and not living in a shelter somewhere.

Thanks

Everybody gets to complain sometimes Patrick. We may be fortunate, but it still doesn't invalidate our feelings towards how things have played out.

Thinking like this means only the poorest of the poor get to complain?

Fed up and royaly pissed off

Got the letter in the mail today stating that they are extending our closing date to July 26, 2010.

I have been patient with the buildier thus far but have lost all my respect for them. They can rest assured that everyone I talk to will hear how they are unable to keep any deadlines and are terrible to do business with. No respect, no communication and little to know interest in us as buyers.

DO NOT BUY FROM MONTAVELLO DEVELOPMENTS!!!!!!

MONTAVELLO DEVELOPMENTS

I cannot find any developments for this builder, I am not sure where they are supposed to be building but I think in our area so far the only builder around is Castlepoint and Lorbeth or Tom Falus.

Where did you get MONTAVELLO DEVELOPMENTS name??

It's Montevallo (spelling)

If you Google it, you'll find various references to the Brownstones and other developments in this area.

Montavello = Tom Falus

It is one of his many development companies.

It is part of the "Brownstone" group of companies.

Brownstone Group of Companies - HST!

They are better known now as the Brownstone Group of Companies... or so all of their PR materials say.

Yes. It really does suck that it is delayed yet again.

I won't slander them on this board, but if asked, I will also definetly explain the many delays and little communication regarding deadlines as well. I moved into the area into an apartment in late 2007 thinking that they couldn't possibly take longer than 18 months to put the development together, considering how small it is....

The move in date is now more that 3 years past the date of purchase.... and did you know that moving the closing date beyond July 1st makes all of these units subject to HST?

Being that the units are under 400k, we'll get 75% of the PST back, but still... this delay is now going to cost every unit owner an extra 2%.

That's $5k for me.

HST

Falus should offer HST rebates as he has been not paying it all to the contractors His excuse is the contracts were signed befor July 1

These units shouldn't be

These units shouldn't be subject to the HST as there is a 'Grandfathering' of agreements signed before the tax was proposed. See info and link below for more information. The link includes a quick reference guide on how to apply the tax and available rebates depending on the situation.

"Under the proposed grandfathering rules, sales of new homes under written agreements of purchase and sale entered into on or before June 18, 2009 (i.e., grandfathered homes) will not be subject to the provincial portion of the HST where both ownership and possession of the homes are transferred after June 2010."

http://www.kpmg.ca/en/services/tax/tnf/tnfc0920.html

Escaped most new taxes.... but not all.

It looks like we have escaped 2 taxes. Those who purchased before Dec 30, 2007 the Toronto Land Transfer Tax will either not be payable or you will get a refund based on the grandfathering rules.

Those who purchased before June 18, 2009 will not be subject to HST , the 5% GST Grandfathering rules will apply.

Unfortunately, chances are we will have to pay HST for any services related to the sale (i.e. Lawyer fees, movers, etc.)

I wonder if we will still be able to claim the GST rebate as our purchase had a GST rate but 6%, but it was reduced to 5%. Anyone know the answer to this?

Delay Notice

I've purchased BOB unit and received my next delay notice in the mail Friday extending occupancy to July 26, 2010 (another 4 months). I haven't been by the site recently but expected it due to the weather etc. *sigh*

Some Promising Progress

Hello,

I was by the BOW site this weekend. Things seem to be really coming together. It looks like they just finished the last portion of underground garage and will probably start the last two blocks soon. My unit is in Block G so it will be nice to see it finally being built. The other 5 blocks are up and 4 of them are bricked.

I doubt it will be finished by March 31 but it looks like we should be in there by late spring / early summer. I'm guessing we will be getting delay letters soon.

Has anyone heard anything else?

That awful scrap yard to the south

Every time I pass by the BOW, can't help wondering whether that noisy metal scrap shop is there just to make our life miserable again, yet right away we finally move in after 3 years of waiting for it.

I have been inquiring as well

I have been inquiring as well to see if the March 30th deadline is realistic. I agree, I expect another delay beyond March. After it is confirmed, I hope the occupancy period won't be too long.

r.e:delays again for BOB and BOW

I think it is a foregone conclusion that we will receive a delay notice.
It would be a business decision to do so, even if they were on schedule at
this time delays can still happen i.e: weather etc. They have to give us 65 days
notice, so expect the registered letters to arrive before January 25, 2010.

delays again...

Hey All

I've posted the same info over in the BOB forum but it directly applies to BOW.

I emailed Rob Falus to get an update with dates and such as I read in the contract about a possible further extension. I asked "In the contract there is indication of a possible 3rd and 4th extension of an additional 135 days… have these already been taken into consideration with the March 30, 2010 date or could this date go to July 2010?"

I got back: "Yes there could be one more delay to the end of July 31, 2010. I will have a better idea of this in January"

Not the best update, but an update nonetheless.

S

More Delays .... ???

I bought at the Davenport Village Phase 3 and been following the progress of BOB and BOW ... I knew the tentative occupancy date of our phase being October 2010 will not be met ... hoping won't go pass 2011 but I guess it is better that I be prepared for 2012 instead....

B.O.D

I went by Davonport location today, there is a crane there and they have already started on the underground parking! I went at night time so it was hard to see how much they have done but i could definitely see that work has started! Who knows...maybe October 2010 might still be a manageable date....this phase does not have as many homes as Wallace. I'm excited! Another good news is starting today the St. Clair streetcars will now be going to Lansdown (turn around point)

or 2013

or 2013

more site activity

Was by on the weekend and there were some workers milling about and doing some jobs here and there... in no way did it look like they were actively trying to get work down to meet the March 30th timeline. So then I went home to my contract and letters I have received and understood that the date is set at March 30, 2010 as the occupancy date and there is reference as to two more possible extensions allowed of up to 120 days and 15 days as long as appropriate notice is given. With these extensions it puts the date of closing to as late as middle of August 2010 for final completion and occupancy.

Thankfully we are further along then BOB, but I am highly doubting moving in before the snow melts and trees have the odd leaf or two. For example, the sewers have yet to be done as well as water hook ups along the main road...

Perhaps we can receive a truthful letter or some correspondence that outlines the facts and the real timelines and not reverting to these flash in the pan attempts to regain purchasers hopes in a finished product. It will be a full three years since date of purchase likely before these are ready...a far cry from the original Sept 2008 closing on date of purchase. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...

Thanks to all of you for

Thanks to all of you for posting this information. Your feedback was helpful in making a decision on whether or not to purchase Brownstones in Davenport Village, which are going up at Davenport and Lansdowne. The move in date for this is supposedly Fall 2010 and they are the same developers for Brownstones on Wallace and Bloor. I wish the best all of you, I can only imagine how fustrating this is, I noticed the posts go back to early 2008.

Purchased April 2007

Original Date for Brownstones on Wallace - October 2008
Original Date for Brownstones on Bloor - December 2008

So yeah... a little frustrating.

anyone been by lately

Hi

Just wondering if anyone has been by lately that can update on some progress...

cheers

progress

Hi there,

I walk across the Wallace bridge almost everyday on my home from work. The most westerly building is pretty much all bricked and windows have been put in, I'm guessing they will move inside, if they haven't already. Their still working on the structure of the South building but haven't started any aesthetic stuff yet.

Is there a rendering available anywhere of what the whole site will look like when it's done? It's hard to picture how cars will move through? I'm curious to know if there is any greenspace planned?

Green Space

One of the workers told me that there will be a playground put in at some point. Does any one know who will be designing that structure?

351 Wallace Greenspace Map

Katie your wish is my command. Here is the developers revised plan for the site. You can see that they will basically construct their way backwards out of the site as they have no room to spare.

A few things to note.

1. On the west side you can see where the space will tie in with Railpath which was a condition from the City.

2. Note the road that goes through the centre and leads to the underground parking. The city will assume that road and clear it etc. If you get the feeling that the City would like to extend the road south and north you would be right. There originally was a road here until about 1920 and it was called Elsie Street. I have asked the City and Giambrone to bring back some history and bring Elsie back to life. They seem to like that idea.

3. The green space will be better than none but I have not seen any clear decsription of what will be done with the green spaces.

4. I also cannot recall how the back area will interface with the alley that runs south to Ernest. 351 Wallace Revised Layout351 Wallace Revised Layout

Revisions

Can someone provide a revised elevation of Block G, it seems to be the one most changed from the original plans.

351 Wallace "Settlement"

There was a lot of concern about this development and the City seemed caught a bit flatfooted at the time. There were revisions over time in terms of the look of the buildings and their positioning to try to make the development fit in better and not loom over the community.

One of the major changes achieved was to make the project, especially along Wallace, more street friendly and I think that was achieved. The City itself was somewhat at odds with locals who generally were not against the development but wanted a bit less density and a less barracks looking style. While the consultation process was a mess many smaller community concerns were dealt with. At the tail end of the process as part of an OMB hearing (it was the developer that took the City to the OMB) there was one last settlement agreement and I present it here for some of the finer last changes and as an example of the kind of battering that goes on between the City and developers. It is from August 2006 which shows you how long this site has been waiting for them to start.

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Appendix “A”

The terms of Montevallo’s settlement offer are as follows, all of which shall be secured in the Section 37 Agreement to be entered into between Montevallo and the City and certain of which will be set forth in the amending by-laws and Easement referenced below:
The applications will be revised as follows:
1. Changes Nos. 3, 4, 6, 8 and 10 outlined in the March 20, 2006 report from the Director of Community Planning, Toronto and East York District (the “Report”) in this matter are agreed to. For the sake of clarity, Montevallo agrees as follows:
(1) to redesign the front yards on Wallace Avenue to reflect the character of front yard landscaping in the area, to the satisfaction of City Planning; to remove the sunken walk-out patios from the units fronting onto Wallace Avenue; and to incorporate soft landscaping at grade into the front yards on Wallace Avenue. (Change 3)

(2) to redesign the units facing Wallace Avenue to eliminate the privacy conflict between the front porches and bedroom windows on Block G, such that the residential windows overlooking the front porches belong to the same unit as the porch. (Change 4)

(3) to convey to the City at nominal cost, free and clear of encumbrances, a lane widening of 1.98 m along the east property line to the satisfaction of the City Solicitor. (Change 6)

(4) to provide bicycle parking at a rate of 1 bicycle parking space per unit, such requirement to be included in the zoning by-law amendment for the site. (Change 8)

(5) to indicate and provide large-growing shade trees in the public boulevard along Wallace Avenue; (Change 10).

2. Montevallo agrees to changes which to a great extent address the intent of Changes Nos. 1, 2, 5, 7 and 9 set forth in the Report . For the sake of clarity Montevallo agrees as follows, at its expense:
(1) to reduce the main floor elevation of the building fronting onto Wallace Avenue such that there will be only 5 risers leading from the sidewalk to the front doors. This will be achieved through a combination of lowering the building by 0.5 metres and relocating some of the risers to the interior of the building. (responding to requested Change 1)
(2) to provide a suitable transition in height from the 2 ½ storey building located on Wallace Avenue to the east of the site, by:
(a) making significant changes to the most easterly bay of the proposed Block G, including removing the fourth storey and stepping back the 3rd floor from the front façade;
(b) on the west side of Block G, the building will be setback at least 2.0 metres at the 4th floor; and
(c) on all other blocks, a setback of at least 3.0 metres will be provided at the 4th floor on the long sides (front and back) and no setback will be provided on the short sides (ends). (Responding to requested Change 2)
(3) to construct and maintain the proposed driveway to City road standards and with a minimum width of 15.9 metres ( with the exception of one set of stairs from the underground garage to grade which will be located within the 15.9 metres, on the east side of the Driveway ), to have the driveway function as if it were a public road and to enter into a Section 37 Agreement to secure the construction, to allow public access to and over the driveway as if it was a public road, including entering into an Easement with the City satisfactory to the City Solicitor securing such public access and to dedicate the road to the City at nominal cost in the future in the event the lands to the south of the site are redeveloped. For the sake of clarity Montevallo agrees as follows:
(a) as part of the construction of the main north/south driveway (the “Driveway”), to remediate the Driveway such that all contaminant levels are in compliance with the generic standards established by the Ministry of the Environment for public roads or, alternatively, if acceptable to the Executive Director of Technical Services, provide a satisfactory risk assessment process and implementation, including paying the City the costs for a peer review;

(b) the Driveway shall function as if it is a City-owned and operated public road, including amongst other matters, providing public access to and over the Driveway as if it was a City-owned and operated public road;

(c) to construct and thereafter maintain the Driveway to City public road standards, with satisfactory plans and specifications to be approved by the Executive Director of Technical Services in writing prior to the issuance of site plan approval, such standards to include amongst other matters, storm drainage, street lighting, the road bed, the asphalt and planting (according to the City's Urban Forestry standards to permit healthy growth of such trees to full maturity) and automatic watering of large-growing shade trees on both sides, subject to private services for the development crossing under the road, which services may remain in the event the lands are conveyed to the City for public road purposes in the future;

(d) to have an engineer inspect as required throughout the construction and certify to the City upon completion of the Driveway that the Driveway has been satisfactorily completed to City public road standards, such that the City may rely upon the certification. The City’s Technical Services Division will accordingly waive inspection fees respecting the Driveway construction ; and

(e) to provide a Letter of Credit to the City in the City’s standard form from a bank acceptable to the City Treasurer, in an amount satisfactory to the Executive Director of Technical Services to secure the completion of the Driveway to City public road standards, such letter of credit to be provided prior to the issuance of the first above ground building permit for the site such Letter of Credit to be released by the City upon the certification in (d) above being provided;

(f) to enter into an Easement with the City satisfactory to the City Solicitor to secure the public access to and over the Driveway and to register such Easement to the satisfaction of the City Solicitor;

(g) to enter into a Section 37 Agreement with the City satisfactory to the City Solicitor to secure the above matters and other matters addressed in this settlement letter and to register such Agreement, as a first charge against the site prior to the Board Order issuing in this matter. ( Responding to requested Changes 5 and 7)

(4) to provide public access to and over the walkway to be constructed and maintained by Montevallo on the site which will connect to the adjacent public bicycle path, provided Canadian National Railway permits such connection, including entering into an Easement with the City satisfactory to the City Solicitor and to register such Easement to the City Solicitor’s satisfaction prior to the issuance of the first above ground building permit for the site with the understanding that should no solution emerge which meets the objectives of both CN/GO and the City, that the City will compromise regarding the bicycle path connection. (Responding to requested Change 7)
(5) to address the issue respecting the setback from the rail corridor, to the satisfaction of Canadian National Railway and GO Transit, the Chief Planner and the General Manager of Parks, Forestry and Recreation with the understanding that should no solution emerge which meets the objectives of both CN /GO and the City, that the City will compromise regarding the bicycle path connection. ( Responding to requested Change 9)
The City and Montevallo (“the Parties”), will support approval by the OMB of an official plan amendment and zoning by-law amendment that reflect the Settlement Plan, and include the following elements:
1. The Parties will work together to finalize the Amending By-laws prior to the August 30, 2006, OMB hearing date. If not complete at that date, the Parties will request the Board to hold its Order pending provision by the City Solicitor of by-laws satisfactory to both Parties to the Board.

2. The Section 37 Agreement and Easement will be executed by the City and Montevallo and registered to the City Solicitor’s satisfaction as a first charge and second charge, respectively, against the site, prior to the Board Order issuing and the Parties will request the Board to hold its Order pending notification by the City Solicitor of registration of the Agreement.

3. Montevallo acknowledges that additional matters will be secured by the City at the time of site plan approval in the normal course.

4. The Parties will work together and commence to negotiate the Section 37 Agreement and Easement within 5 business days of acceptance of this Offer. It is the intention of the Parties to attempt to complete and execute the required agreements prior to the August 30, 2006 OMB hearing date, if possible and to present these documents to the Board at the OMB hearing.

5. The Parties agree that the plans and drawings prepared by Attila Burka and dated July 21, 2006 represent an appropriate method of implementing the terms of this offer of settlement.

This offer of settlement is made on a confidential and without prejudice basis provided that should this offer be accepted by the City Council, the offer shall become public. It is intended that this offer be presented to the City Council in camera at its meeting of July 25, 26 and 27, 2006.

Appendix ‘B’

Changes Requested in City Planning Refusal Report and adopted by City Council

1. Lower the main floor elevation of Block G (facing Wallace Avenue) by approximately 1.5 m such that the main floor elevation is no more than 1.0 metres above grade.

2. Set back the fourth storey rooftop access pavilions by at least 3 m from the front face of all buildings blocks and 2 metres from the side faces of all building blocks.

3. Redesign the front yard on Wallace Avenue to reflect the character of front yard landscaping in the area, to the satisfaction of City Planning. The proponent should remove the sunken walk-out patios from the units fronting onto Wallace Avenue. The front yards should incorporate soft landscaping at grade.

4. Redesign the units facing Wallace Avenue to eliminate the privacy conflict between the front porches and bedroom windows on Block G, such that the residential windows overlooking the front porches belong to the same unit as the porch.

5. Construct the proposed driveway to City road standards with a minimum width of 16.5 metres. Enter into an agreement to allow public access to the road and to dedicate, at the City’s future request, the right-of-way to the City.

6. Dedicate a lane widening of 1.98 m along the east property line to the City.

7. Enter into an agreement under Section 37 of the Planning Act to secure public access to the new street and to the walkway connecting to the adjacent bicycle path.

8. Provide bicycle parking at a rate of 1 bicycle parking space per unit.

9. Address the required setback from the rail corridor, to the satisfaction of Canadian National Railway and GO Transit, the Chief Planner and the General Manager of Parks, Forestry and Recreation.

10. Indicate large-growing shade trees in the public boulevard, to the satisfaction of City Planning and Urban Forestry, including documentation indicating that it is possible to plant trees in the public boulevard without affecting underground utilities.

Interior Selection Letters Arrived

Just an FYI if you don't know already.

The letter's for Interior selections arrived today and will Start the week of August 24

One step closer now

Ahhh Falus and Co

As a purchaser of a Falus project run away. Run away now. Even when u do eventually move in the craftsmenship is an absolute joke. Our roof still leaks over a year after occupency.

Leaky Roof

I see you have posted a comment regarding a deficiency and have not left your name, bunit number or any other contact information. If you have a problem please feel free to contact me at 416-483-1066 ext. 108 and I would be happy to look into the situation and have it rectified as soon as possible.

Thanks

Robert

Wallce and Bloor

What about BOB (Brownstones on Bloor!)
It is so frustrating !

Development

Thanks for the video. I go by usually once a week and they seem to be going along quite well. Haven't heard anything though on the interior finishes. If anyone gets a notice let us know.

Youtube Video of Construction - as of July 19, 2009

I was by the Brownstones on Wallace site and shot some video of what is there so far. Definitely some progress. It looks like they even have a few people working on the weekends.

I posted the video on Youtube that show the progress as of July 19, 2009.

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6qToKnpHXY

Update on site construction

My husband and I walked by to check out the site today. From the front it does not look like much has been done but if you go to the walking path and look behind the wallace station lofts building there is a large area where the underground parking pad has already been poured and it looks like quite a bit of work has been done back there. We took a picture but it's a crappy one because we only had a cell phone with us. I will try to post it later....

I go by the site almost

I go by the site almost everyday with my little guy and watch the construction crane. The first block next to the Wallace lofts is moving along rapidly. All of the concrete floors and walls have been poured. The exterior wall framing appears to be complete on all sides now and the electrical wiring and plumbing has begun. They started pouring the foundation this week for the next block of townhouses that backs onto Solway's. It must seem like an eternity for those of you waiting to move-in, but they really are working hard.

I know this might be asking a

I know this might be asking a lot, but I live kind of far to actually come and see the site. Is there anyone who has some recent photos they can post?

Tick Tock

Not a promise

I live nearby.

I'll try to get over sometime next week and take some photos of both sites (Bloor and Wallace).

Someone might beat me to it though.

hello, is there anybody in there

hear! hear!
would that be not only appropriate, but also very much appreciated
if Brownstone's somebody commented on the progress in the project.
Thank you in advance.

BOW Purchaser

Bloor?

I haven't been over there in a while... any progress on the Bloor site?!

It's getting slow

Walked by the site on Wallace a couple times last week.
Silent...
Excavation has began, the underground garage perimeter wall seems been worked on up the ground level, and now it's silent again.
Does anyone heard any news regarding 'colour selection' yet ?

agree

I drove by the other day and saw that the first block is still in the same shape it was for a few weeks now. the roof still has framing on it for the concrete pours. they did do some interior wall framing on the lower level units and it looked like there was some water and drain pipes installed, there was also some work done on some walls for the parking garage i guess. it looks like heels are being dragged though... i somewhat dread getting the letter in the mail saying that the project is defunct and cheques will be issued, lots of work to do in 9 months... tick tock tick tock...

as for the colour selection, back in may I had talked to Robert and he said it would be within the week... and that was now 4 weeks ago almost... so like the construction of the property one year means three years, so one week must mean 3 months... perhaps Robert would like to chime in and give everyone a realistic update as it appears the project is progressing as fast as the other developments by these guys. perhaps an update of some pictures would be a welcome treat to faithful purchasers who are undoubtedly losing faith

some action

I live next to it and it has been a wee bit quieter but I would not call it slow. I saw at least 30 cement trucks go in today. I also saw the site electricians working today running conduit. Its probably driving you crazy waiting.

It's been two years, two months now.

Yes... crazy is the word.

What am I seeing?

Hello all. Walked by the Brownstones site and am glad things seemed to be progressing. However, I don't understand what I am seeing. I guess I am having problems visualizing. Is the block that's is being built where people will live? Why does it look so small? Where is the excavation for underground parking?

colours

just spoke to robert falus and he said that the contracts are being made with the kitchen cabinet suppliers and the tiling suppliers and are waiting for the flooring suppliers before they send out letters for colour selections. i guess things like that happen when you are delayed for so long, the original finishes become non-existent and you have to choose new materials and finishes

colours

I think they put that in every letter just to keep your spirits up and get you excited. I just can't wait to get the letter and then go into the office to find out there are a million upgrades we can buy (that they said weren't going to be available) so that we can't negotiate for them.

tick tock

wonder when...

Just curious if the website ever gets updated, I have been on once and the only thing there was pictures from mid-march.

Also, has anyone received their letter to choose colours as we were told we would get within the month of our last letter we got.

No I live at the corner of

No I live at the corner of Wallace and Perth.

Hey Sean

Sean,

Glad to have to as my neighbor! (Eventually!).

Hey Scott

Thanks.

You bought into the Brownstones too?

Tarion Warranty

I contacted Tarion Jan 31, 2009 about termination rights and delays. Below is their answer.

"Unfortunately, Condominium Purchasers (who signed their APS prior to July 1/08) do not have Termination Rights. Check the first page of your Agreement – see if it says anything about the maximum time permitted before a Confirmed Occupancy Date is to be set. Once you have received your confirmed date, your builder can delay you twice – one Major Delay of up to 120 days (with 65 days notice) and one Minor Delay of up to 15 days (with 35 days notice) to a maximum of 135 days. If he fails to give you proper notice of a delay or if he goes over the 135 day maximum – you will be entitled to make a claim for Delayed Closing compensation once you take occupancy of your condominium (up to $5,000.00). Your deposit is protected up to $20,000.00 by Tarion, in the event that your builder is legally declared bankrupt."

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For us that are not buyers

When did some of you actually sign on the dotted line?

This development was unpopular in the community (the Planning department dropped the ball) and some changes were made. After it got the go ahead people said well lets move on and get that giant ugly hole filled. People thought that the development would be up 2 years ago. I cant imagine how frustrating it must be for people actually moving there. I find the completion date of next March a bit odd.

May 2007

Hi Scott,

I think it was May 2007 that I bought a Brownstones/Bloor unit.

I've been in constant contact with the city and my father spoke with the developer frequently concerning the delays.

I forget sometimes that I will someday be moving out of my apartment, but it always seems so far away.

Maximum Delay

The details of when you can opt out of your contract are on page 14 of your contract. It says a maximum of 18 months which for Brownstones on wallace brings us right up to March 30th. I'm not positive how it works though because it also details below that they are allowed two further extensions 1) up to 120 days with 3 months notice and 2) a further 15 days with 30 days notice. I don't know if this includes or excludes the 18 months. I'm under the impression that it is after the 18 months is finished. I believe if the delay goes further than what is listed above then you have the option to take your deposit back and cancel your purchase.

Does anyone know if this is correct or if 18 months is the absolute maximum delay?

Spoke with Robert Falus

Spoke with Robert Falus regarding the letter stating March 30th occupancy. He said that that is the absolute deadline, with a maximum extension of 5 days for staggered move-in days. His hope is that the actual occupancy happens sometime between New Years and March 30th depending on the tradespeople completing the work on schedule. Additionally, if you are in a block that is completed earlier than the others you can't occupy those units until the entire site is finished due to city regulations that prevent it(safety concerns).

From what I recall from a

From what I recall from a previous condo purchase, there is no maximum delay. As long as the builder gives you up to 120 days notice within 3 months of the tentative closing date, or gives you 15 days notice within 30 days of the tentative closing date they can keep on extending the closing as long as they want. To be sure, it would be best to check with the folks at Tarion (new home warranty service).

you have got to be kidding?!

you have got to be kidding?! I'm in the Brownstones on Bloor and hope is wearing thin now. another extension?
I'm worried too about getting another delay notice. wait and see I guess...
does anyone know when they start having to pay us back for all the delays?

it doesn't say tentative on

it doesn't say tentative on the paperwork it says the occupancy date is March 30th 2010. I'm wondering if that is for our row of townhomes or if everyone is receiving the same date

We bought in the row they are

We bought in the row they are currently building and our unit #is 210. Our letter say March 30 2010 as well.

That is a joke... not in a

That is a joke... not in a good way.

It is going to take a full year to build it?

And they haven't even started Brownstones on Bloor... I am worried about recieving word about its occupancy date.

I received the same letter

I received the same letter today. March 30th 2010.

With respect to Brownstones on Bloor, there was a crew there today cleaning up the site and removing the concrete barriers. Looks like things are going to get going there soon.

you have got to be kidding?!

you have got to be kidding?! I'm in the Brownstones on Bloor and hope is wearing thin now. another extension?
I'm worried too about getting another delay notice. wait and see I guess...
does anyone know when they start having to pay us back for all the delays?

Occupancy date

Just received notice in the mail and occupancy date for Brownstones on Wallace has been set for March 30th 2010.

re: occupancy date

Is this a confirmed or another tentative occupancy date?

370 Wallace/ a future community centre

I have talked with the people at the parent company of the paint company that owns the land and they declined a year ago to say what their plans were. The Biogenie people told me that the paint company wants to sell the land. There has been a lot of rumours that a buyer is waiting for the remediation to end and then a deal closes but nobody has ever put a name to a buyer. I have been told by a representative of Tom Fallus that it is not him.

Yes the land is in the oblique category of "employment lands". I still find the whole concept a bit vague. I also cant see anybody using that land for commercial purposes unless it has some kind of mixed use artist/creator live work spaces. I have been told by City Planners that it is a certainty that Edwin would come south and then join up with the roadway that will run through the 351 Wallace development. Obviously the the plan would then be to extend that road through to Ernest if possible. In the 1970's the City actually proposed building a 2 lane industrial service road exactly where the Railpath is being built. I think the Railpath is a better idea.

What I would like to see would be the city cut a deal to trade some of that land for density to make Railpath wider and then have the City take over the Hydro building and turn it into a small community centre. This is way out thinking and at the rate the City does stuff I will be dead probably by then but I see real potential with this idea. First up is to look into a an historical designation for the Hydro building as part of our areas industrial heritage.

Soil Remediation Wallace

I was talking with the project manager for BioGenie of Montreal who are doing the soil remediation at 371 Wallace across from 351 Wallace and he said they would be back to finish the job within a few weeks.

Are you aware of any

Are you aware of any development plans for that site? Is it zoned for residential development?

Wallace / Biogene land redevelopment

Hi Anitra,

I don't think there are any plans, proposals or development applications in place yet. Does anyone else know?

Some of this comes from what I've heard from Adam Giambrone and his staff:

They can't build anything residential right next to the rail corridor. There has to be a minimum separation, and/or a berm built if they decide to do that. The piece of land closest to the railway corridor / Railpath would likely remain commercial or industrial.

One possibility is that Edwin Ave. could be extended south to connect to Wallace Ave. This would split the site in two, allowing for commercial/industrial development against the rail corridor, and residential on the east side of the property.

Another thing that should be mentioned is that this land probably falls under the Wallace Junction Focus Area, which means it may be forced to remain zoned as "employment land". Not sure what the status on that would be.

Sounds to me like the the

Sounds to me like the the sales people are prone to lying about several things, I was told that the scrapyard had been sold when I purchased my unit and it would be gone in a year. I was also told of a layout change to the units that helped make the sale for me only to be told later that no such thing was said. It was my fault for not insisting that the change be written into the sales document. At this point I wouldn't believe the sales staff if they said "good morning".

Oral Representations

Hi,

This is common with any real estate project. It is specfically written in every contract that whatever is said by the sales agent cannot be taken as part of the contract.

Not even square footages are guaranteed... if you look at your contract, there are no measurements on the drawing that you signed.

These "open" contracts will be challenged more often now that housing prices are not going up anymore, and purchasers are more likely to claim material loss on condos not having all of the described features, as it is not the case that the unit will be worth $x more than it was purchased for upon closing.

metal scrapyard by Brownstones on Wallace

Hello,

A good friend of mine purchased a unit in Brownstones on Wallace when they first went on sale. At the time she was concerned about the close proximity of the metal recycling yard (Solways' Metals I think?) but was told by the real estate broker, "Oh, don't worry -- that will be long gone by the time the condo is built." But now the building is started, the scrapyard is still operational and she is getting worried. When she called the sales person, they said they were "hoping" that the recycling yard would go elsewhere eventually -- no guarantees. But that's a totally different story than what she was told originally...and I don't think she would have purchased the condo had she thought the recycling facility was going to be in her back yard. It's extremely loud, and a real eyesore. When I looked up information on the scrapyard, it seems the residents in the area have had a problem with this business for the last 20 years, but still it remains. Does anyone out there have any information on this? I would really appreciate any insight you could give me.

Thanks very much,
Genie

There is about 30 years of

There is about 30 years of news about this site so it is hard to put it all in one email. There are a few other posts on this site updating some of the recent news about Solways Metals.

First off the real estate broker is a complete liar. Nobody of late has been as active on the Solways issue than myself and a few other locals but the bottom line is that Solways Metals has no plans to leave anytime soon. We have been trying to get them to leave for quite some time.

The good news is that finally the City MLS department is taking the complaints seriously and the local councillor is in favor of them closing or relocating. It is the belief of many that if Solways had to operate in compliance with the rules and regulations that have been imposed on it then they would have to move. That has been and is the crux of activities ongoing right now: enforcement. The other issue is that developments like 351 Wallace, the new Railpath opening in June, and other developments that I cannot go into right now are all essentially hemming Solways into a box in which it will be harder and harder to operate. And part of that box will be the complaints that the City, who zoned 351 residential, will no doubt be getting.

The City has historically done a crappy job overseeing this business, which technically has never been zoned for a scrap yard, and in fact helped keep it open at a time when all the other industries were leaving starting in the early 80's. I know first hand that the new MLS director Mr.Hart is keen to reversing the years of neglect on the Solways file and that many residents continue to document and file complaints. The short version of this long tale is that it is really a matter of when, not a matter of if Solways is leaving. Everything that at one time kept them open is now shifting the other way. THe 351 Wallace development, while not popular with locals, will in the end hasten the leaving of Solways. (If it is of any help Solways is a lot quieter than it used to be and there are no weekly fires any more.)

It will be great to see houses fill that giant pit at 351 and great to have more faces on the street. People who bought at 351 will have to wait a bit I am afraid as all the forces slowly squeeze Solways out.

Hi Scott, What is the best

Hi Scott,

What is the best way to add my voice to those who want Solways to leave the area? I've been living in the neighbourhood for almost a year and love it, but Solways is a definite annoyance.

Update

I was by the site today and they have got the tower crane up. They also have most of the first level poured for block A.

I didn't get any pics but will try to get some the next time I go by.

Updated pictures

Here is the link. Sorry about he last post of mine.

http://picasaweb.google.ca/scott.surridge?feat=email

Brownstones On Wallace & Brownstones On Bloor

Good Day All,

I was not aware that this online group existed or else I would have gotten involved earlier. - I have just read your comments and just want to reassure you that both projects are a go. Construction on Wallace has started and there will be progress made on a daily basis and I hope to be posting photos once a week or so at www.brownstonesonwallace.com. A letter will be issued shortly with respect to booking an appointment for color selections.

With respect to Brownstones on Bloor we are still sorting out an issue with the City and have every intention of proceeding with the project just as soon as the permit is released.

We understand the frustration but let us assure you that we would like to finish the units just as badly as you would like to occupy them.

I am always available to chat and will try to answer any questions that you may have with respect to these projects. I can be reached at 416-483-1066 ext. 108.

Robert Falus

Site pictures

Where can the pics be found? I don't see any in the image gallery.

looks real this time

They were at the site late last night and today I saw trucks with forms heading onto the property.

Site Pictures

To anyone that is interested I have pics up of the Wallace site. I will be adding more as I get them.

I ran into one of the guys who works for the masonry company at the site today. He said they are just waiting for a date to start laying the foundation blocks.

They are the same company who did the townhomes at Lansdowne and Davenport.

Lots of activity today

I drove by the Brownstones on Wallace site today and there was a lot of activity. Many workers (15+) and lots of machinery being used. Still looks like foundation/digging related work. Just thought I'd share

I have a good friend who

I have a good friend who works for city permits and according to her once a partial permit is approved the construction will continue regardless of the other permits going through. Apparently it is very common to work on permits simultaneous to the work itself being done. Who knows but this did give me hope!

re: a good friend

To the person who has a good friend who works for city permits.
Any chance you could ask them what the status is for
Brownstones on Bloor, # 07 132212. The online site says
"still under review". If possible, thanks in advance.

Bloor

This does little to give me hope RE: Brownstones on Bloor, since there is no partial permit there.

Removed all the equipment

Hey folks,
I've been as interested to what's happening there as I live in the Wallace Station lofts and I have a view of the lot.
They have not done much.
They brought in equipment late Oct-Nov '08, pumped out water from the holes they dug, stacked foundation forms, started to put a crane up in Dec-Jan '08-'09, but all the equipment has disappeared.
Every week there is a truck delivering or removing something. It seems they just delivered some rebar.
I'll try to update this when I have the time.
Good Luck.

Its a wonder they are

Its a wonder they are preparing for anything.

They have two of their three base permits (plumbing, site & drain service) refused and only a partial permit to form the footings.

I'm hoping someday I'll get to move into my Brownstones on Bloor condo, but I'm not holding my breath, as both of these projects (Bloor & Wallace) are still in limbo.

Tom / Robert Falus, if you are reading this, please get these buildings going.

We spoke with the developers

We spoke with the developers yesterday and they were forthcoming and helpful. Apparently they changed a sub-contractor and the crane was removed as a result. They expect to have a new crane on-site this week or next. The city confirmed for us in October that the permits were in place for Wallace Ave and Falus says construction will go ahead weather permitting. Without ruling it out, he didn't seem to think Sept was a realistic target for occupancy, but, pre-Christmas was attainable. Letters are to be sent out soon with respect to occupancy and finishings, but, we only received one regarding the new website log-in.