All candidates will have a certain amount of time in the begining to talk about what ever they want to speak about. Not sure if it's 5 mins or 3.5 mins. That is all I am telling you now. We have to fine tune it before the debate, they are all aware of it. I will need to speak to the candates first, before I let others know about the rules, only fair I tell them first, will tell everyone at the debate. JF
I do agree we need a non-partisan moderator to make the debate fair and let each candidate air their platform without bias.
Just a suggestion, but perhaps to keep an open process of who the moderator will be, a list of candidates with a short summary of their credentials can be published here for the community to see. Plus, a write up in the Villager newspaper, and some signage posted on hydro poles, for others who may not have computer access. I may be able to help with posting some signs up around the neighbourhood.
But how will the community vote on a moderator in the most democratic process?
Anonymous person. Sending out the information in the top 5 languages, was to inform residents about what is going on in their community.
Unlike some of our elected officals and groups in our ward and Toronto, sending out literature in english only. The objective here was to let as many residents know about what is going on in the hood. Out of the 97% of the people in Ward18 only 36% speak english and the rest are others with no englsih or french. See ward18 profile.
Regarding the moderator been biased, we spoke to each candidate. I think they are grown up enough to make their own mind up and have decided to participate in the debate. There are no pre-planned questions. So all of the question are coming from residents. So were is the biased. JF
If it was anyone other than Jack, you might be right. But Jack Fava spents months criticizing the organizers of the Fuzzy Boundaries project for any number of things including their English and Portuguese material. You have to live by the standards you demand of others and clearly the organizers of this event are falling well short of that.
Time to scrap these debate plans until someone can do a better job of accommodating all the neighbourhood groups and special interests. There also should be a process to determine the moderator that is open and democratic so that a biased person does not represent the community.
I am sure Jack is trying his best but there is no way that this meeting is unfair. It is being run by a community member, not the City, and being held in the Official Language used by most people in the ward. If Jack was not devoting time to it it might not happen at all. Sometimes things cant be done to accommodate everybody and that's just the way it is. If you feel so strongly then you help arrange things; charges of discrimination are not true and not helpful.
Maybe they should install a couple of cameras for both safety and garbage observation - I have a dog and I'd certainly prefer to have a garbage around to toss the doggy-poo. Not to mention that people just start throwing there trash around in their absence...
What's the point of circulating the event announcement in five languages if you don't make interpreters available? This sounds rather discriminatory, speak English or you are excluded!
What about the hearing-impaired and the visually-challenged, how are organizers planning to accomodate them?
I'm also wondering about the moderator of the event, will there be a democratic selection process to determine who will lead the event? How can we be sure the moderator is completely unbiased and is fair to all of the candidates regardless of their affiliation?
The City should have a policy about these events so they are not hijacked by people just wanting to grandstand.
Lofty
We'll get no where with me accusing you of being an apologist for a developer's exploitation or you accusing me of having a bias against developers, no seriously, some of my best friends are developers.
Anyway, I think on a positive note, any growing community needs to have structures in place so that development is a bigger deal than something gets built and "it's all right with me Jack". You're right, the Brownstones did nothing...gave nothing. I welcome the new businesses and residents to the neighbourhood...but again I say, developers have to give back. It's not too much to ask and if you feel that they have done enough, I'm cool with that, but I don't think they have and I hope for the community's sake that they do. I don't know how this can happen but there must be models in other communities that work. What's wrong with asking for more from developers...basically it comes down to that. And if we can't agree on that, fine, we can't agree. I think it's a great neighbourhood and my family loves it here.
Sorry, no child care. Yes, I have been speaken to people about trying to find interpreters, but they all want money for their services, zero $$$ and YES, the place is fully accessible, I wouldn't get a venue unless it was accessible. JF
There is no evidence that the community has been exploited by this business person who made a donation and supported the Fuzzy project. You're just grasping at some preconceived bias against developers when you should be thanking the builders of these commercial lofts. I don't see the Brownstone builder doing anything remotely close.
got no money Lofty...don't challenge me to a cock fight. What if the FB people approached the Developers and asked "hey, seems like you're business venture is going gang busters. Thanks for all your support before, but now what we know it's a great project, could we maybe get funding for this summer camp project we're doing with some kids for Pelham Park and Symington Place?" What would be wrong with just expecting that they put something more substantial into the community? I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm not saying FB is wrong. I'm saying until we make developers accountable to our community, the balls in their court. I just think it should be the other way around. Questioning a developers' motives is not a crime. Not protecting a community from exploitation is.
Loki, rather than attack a business person who supported a community improvement project led by local residents, why don't you risk your money and start a business in the area? Then you can donate any and all profits to the community and feel good about contributing something to the neighbourhood like others have aleady done. Go ahead, set the charitable bar a little higher and see if you can get others to equal or match your righteous example.
The final ARC meeting for Kent Sr. Public School took place last night. Since Perth is not a feeder school for Kent, Perth was not named in the ARC but some students of Perth do choose to attend Kent for grades 7 and 8. After careful consideration it was recommended that Brock and Dovercourt be converted to Kindergarten to grade 8 schools. With this suggestion Perth students now will have to choose between Carlton Village or Brock instead of Kent if the suggestion is passed by the board. The timeline given for these changes would be Dovercourt and Brock accepting students for grade 7 only in September 2011 and grades 7 and 8 by September 2012. Stay tuned for further information regarding these changes.
I totally get where you're coming from and given that most of us plebs DON'T have a lot of monetary power, from the specs that I saw, it looks like the businesses are small scale businesses NOT big box stores. Given that, I hope. :)
This neo-liberal excuse for community exploitation needs to be examined and deconstructed. There is a point to it, but I think in the days of Ronald Regan it was called the "trickle down effect" and has gone out of fashion in most progressive circles. Strong communities have a strong infrastructure. Most people have learnt that what is at the top usually stays at the top and those under the top have very little say in where the anything trinkles down. I'm not saying that the development was wrong, I'm saying that any development at the sake of a community is wrong. Surely you'd agree with me there. Unlike you, I do not live in hope that this hypothetical utopia will come about because we've got the Wallace Lofts in the neighbourhood. It may help, but there are no structures in place where developers are accountable to the community. I believe in the good will of the community as illustrated by what FB did. I don't believe in the good will of a developer, no matter how much good press they get.
I was wondering if there is going to be some interpreters at this event? Is the facility fully accessible? Will child care be provided? Just wanted to make sure that as many people as possible would be included.
Or they could have contributed nothing. What they donated is better than zero. What their building costs or looks like has nothing to do with anything, its their choice. Also the final chapter on their involvement in the community has not been written. Its not their responsibility to solve every issue in the community nor are community issues their fault. I can tell you though that citizens and companies won't donate in the future if they are criticized and their motives second guessed. They donated something and set an example. Good on them. I am moving on to positive things now.
More local businesses can mean more employment opportunities for residents, which in turn may go back to other local businesses in the area and hopefully, create a thriving community where residents can hopefully live, work and play in the same area. opportunities
All candidates will have a certain amount of time in the begining to talk about what ever they want to speak about. Not sure if it's 5 mins or 3.5 mins. That is all I am telling you now. We have to fine tune it before the debate, they are all aware of it. I will need to speak to the candates first, before I let others know about the rules, only fair I tell them first, will tell everyone at the debate. JF
"Out of the 97% of the people in Ward18 only 36% speak english and the rest are others with no englsih or french. See ward18 profile."
I did look at the stats from the City of Toronto web site: http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/cns_profiles/cns93.htm
The language stats are: English is spoken by 56.3% of residents NOT 36% as per your stat.
Additionally for ALL of Ward 18, the stats are (http://www.toronto.ca/wards2000/ward18.htm):
Top 10 Home Language Group
English 55.8%
The other debates we done in the community, I felt were done well. JF
I do agree we need a non-partisan moderator to make the debate fair and let each candidate air their platform without bias.
Just a suggestion, but perhaps to keep an open process of who the moderator will be, a list of candidates with a short summary of their credentials can be published here for the community to see. Plus, a write up in the Villager newspaper, and some signage posted on hydro poles, for others who may not have computer access. I may be able to help with posting some signs up around the neighbourhood.
But how will the community vote on a moderator in the most democratic process?
My two cents. :)
Anonymous person. Sending out the information in the top 5 languages, was to inform residents about what is going on in their community.
Unlike some of our elected officals and groups in our ward and Toronto, sending out literature in english only. The objective here was to let as many residents know about what is going on in the hood. Out of the 97% of the people in Ward18 only 36% speak english and the rest are others with no englsih or french. See ward18 profile.
Regarding the moderator been biased, we spoke to each candidate. I think they are grown up enough to make their own mind up and have decided to participate in the debate. There are no pre-planned questions. So all of the question are coming from residents. So were is the biased. JF
If it was anyone other than Jack, you might be right. But Jack Fava spents months criticizing the organizers of the Fuzzy Boundaries project for any number of things including their English and Portuguese material. You have to live by the standards you demand of others and clearly the organizers of this event are falling well short of that.
Time to scrap these debate plans until someone can do a better job of accommodating all the neighbourhood groups and special interests. There also should be a process to determine the moderator that is open and democratic so that a biased person does not represent the community.
I am sure Jack is trying his best but there is no way that this meeting is unfair. It is being run by a community member, not the City, and being held in the Official Language used by most people in the ward. If Jack was not devoting time to it it might not happen at all. Sometimes things cant be done to accommodate everybody and that's just the way it is. If you feel so strongly then you help arrange things; charges of discrimination are not true and not helpful.
Maybe they should install a couple of cameras for both safety and garbage observation - I have a dog and I'd certainly prefer to have a garbage around to toss the doggy-poo. Not to mention that people just start throwing there trash around in their absence...
What's the point of circulating the event announcement in five languages if you don't make interpreters available? This sounds rather discriminatory, speak English or you are excluded!
What about the hearing-impaired and the visually-challenged, how are organizers planning to accomodate them?
I'm also wondering about the moderator of the event, will there be a democratic selection process to determine who will lead the event? How can we be sure the moderator is completely unbiased and is fair to all of the candidates regardless of their affiliation?
The City should have a policy about these events so they are not hijacked by people just wanting to grandstand.
I'll keep you posted.
Lofty
We'll get no where with me accusing you of being an apologist for a developer's exploitation or you accusing me of having a bias against developers, no seriously, some of my best friends are developers.
Anyway, I think on a positive note, any growing community needs to have structures in place so that development is a bigger deal than something gets built and "it's all right with me Jack". You're right, the Brownstones did nothing...gave nothing. I welcome the new businesses and residents to the neighbourhood...but again I say, developers have to give back. It's not too much to ask and if you feel that they have done enough, I'm cool with that, but I don't think they have and I hope for the community's sake that they do. I don't know how this can happen but there must be models in other communities that work. What's wrong with asking for more from developers...basically it comes down to that. And if we can't agree on that, fine, we can't agree. I think it's a great neighbourhood and my family loves it here.
Sorry, no child care. Yes, I have been speaken to people about trying to find interpreters, but they all want money for their services, zero $$$ and YES, the place is fully accessible, I wouldn't get a venue unless it was accessible. JF
There is no evidence that the community has been exploited by this business person who made a donation and supported the Fuzzy project. You're just grasping at some preconceived bias against developers when you should be thanking the builders of these commercial lofts. I don't see the Brownstone builder doing anything remotely close.
If you follow up on these, I'd be happy to help out.
"It's their choice"?????!!!!!!!!
got no money Lofty...don't challenge me to a cock fight. What if the FB people approached the Developers and asked "hey, seems like you're business venture is going gang busters. Thanks for all your support before, but now what we know it's a great project, could we maybe get funding for this summer camp project we're doing with some kids for Pelham Park and Symington Place?" What would be wrong with just expecting that they put something more substantial into the community? I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm not saying FB is wrong. I'm saying until we make developers accountable to our community, the balls in their court. I just think it should be the other way around. Questioning a developers' motives is not a crime. Not protecting a community from exploitation is.
Loki, rather than attack a business person who supported a community improvement project led by local residents, why don't you risk your money and start a business in the area? Then you can donate any and all profits to the community and feel good about contributing something to the neighbourhood like others have aleady done. Go ahead, set the charitable bar a little higher and see if you can get others to equal or match your righteous example.
The final ARC meeting for Kent Sr. Public School took place last night. Since Perth is not a feeder school for Kent, Perth was not named in the ARC but some students of Perth do choose to attend Kent for grades 7 and 8. After careful consideration it was recommended that Brock and Dovercourt be converted to Kindergarten to grade 8 schools. With this suggestion Perth students now will have to choose between Carlton Village or Brock instead of Kent if the suggestion is passed by the board. The timeline given for these changes would be Dovercourt and Brock accepting students for grade 7 only in September 2011 and grades 7 and 8 by September 2012. Stay tuned for further information regarding these changes.
I totally get where you're coming from and given that most of us plebs DON'T have a lot of monetary power, from the specs that I saw, it looks like the businesses are small scale businesses NOT big box stores. Given that, I hope. :)
This neo-liberal excuse for community exploitation needs to be examined and deconstructed. There is a point to it, but I think in the days of Ronald Regan it was called the "trickle down effect" and has gone out of fashion in most progressive circles. Strong communities have a strong infrastructure. Most people have learnt that what is at the top usually stays at the top and those under the top have very little say in where the anything trinkles down. I'm not saying that the development was wrong, I'm saying that any development at the sake of a community is wrong. Surely you'd agree with me there. Unlike you, I do not live in hope that this hypothetical utopia will come about because we've got the Wallace Lofts in the neighbourhood. It may help, but there are no structures in place where developers are accountable to the community. I believe in the good will of the community as illustrated by what FB did. I don't believe in the good will of a developer, no matter how much good press they get.
true, so there is definitely a profit to be made here. Are we going to see it?
I was wondering if there is going to be some interpreters at this event? Is the facility fully accessible? Will child care be provided? Just wanted to make sure that as many people as possible would be included.
Or they could have contributed nothing. What they donated is better than zero. What their building costs or looks like has nothing to do with anything, its their choice. Also the final chapter on their involvement in the community has not been written. Its not their responsibility to solve every issue in the community nor are community issues their fault. I can tell you though that citizens and companies won't donate in the future if they are criticized and their motives second guessed. They donated something and set an example. Good on them. I am moving on to positive things now.
More local businesses can mean more employment opportunities for residents, which in turn may go back to other local businesses in the area and hopefully, create a thriving community where residents can hopefully live, work and play in the same area. opportunities
This is a commercial, not residential property. Even if they wanted to, they probably couldn't put community housing in there.