Go for a walk by the new restaurant - they have new HUGE windows installed - this place is going to be AMAZING. Look at the attached archetectural drawings on the Farmhouse Taveern facebook page. I can't wait!
Ideally the statue should be in and around Dupont/Symington if all indications were that he worked at Royce-Dupont chicken...currently it is an empty lot which for years has been left abandoned...(southwest corner)...wouldn't it be nice if all forces came together to potentially place a nice little square complete with statue there...if anyone has contacts please join in...we would need a local artist, councillors, businesses and George himself
Ana is against the bike lanes. She told me specifically because Ubisoft was moving in and we were going to lose 76 parking spaces that they would likely need.
The community consultation was already done before the approval for the bike lane was secured. The bike lane was supposed to go in back in 2007.
I bought my house on Lansdowne Ave. because I thought the bike lane was going in, and I fully support and believe that the bike lane is a great thing for our community.
My great Uncles Samuel Huntley's property can be seen at the lower left of the map. His brother George, my g/grandfather had property just too the south abutting Bloor W. at Dundas W.
I live on Lansdowne and ride a bike, and I personally would not like to see bike lanes on this portion of Lansdowne. It is a busy stretch of road, and all bike lanes are going to do is impede traffic more, and increase idling cars in front of my house creating pollution and noise. I would rather ride my bike along the railpath for this stretch and be able to have my windows open and kids playing on the front yard. This road as no rush hour parking on the busy sides of the street for a reason, there are a lot people using this road, and I really don't want the street reduced and stop and go traffic in front of my house. Who are the bike lanes really benefiting? There are alternate bike friendly routes less than a block away (railpath going south and Davenport going east). Not worth it.
I'm not surprised to hear that Ana's office has possibly delayed or cancelled these bike lanes from going in. She voted against removing the Jarvis lanes but in favour of removing the Pharmacy and Birchmount lanes if I recall correctly.
I typically avoid going up Lansdowne to Wallace once I reach Bloor as the road is in really rough shape. The buses and jaywalking pedestrians add to the danger of biking along this stretch of road. It's pretty much impossible to ride out of the door zone without being in the left hand lane.
I would really like to see the lanes installed but I think Symington is a safe alternative for now. The road is very wide, pretty smooth and it connects to the Davenport bike lane. Google Maps even has it listed a "bicycle friendly road."
....and so the BEST policy is to leave your car behind and TTC, walk, or ride and push for electric trains which are a greener and smarter transportation choice. Idling cars pollute, and so do ones in motion.
Either way all bad for the Environment, Children and the Vulnerable. However found an article which talks about this very subject:
Diesel Versus Gasoline: Which Is Best For The Climate?
More and more Norwegian cars have diesel engines. Whether these are actually more climate-friendly than gasoline-driven cars depends on which time perspective one emphasizes.
Av Marianne Tronstad Lund
In recent years, the proportion of diesel cars on Norwegian roads has increased. In 2007, 74 percent of new passenger cars had diesel engines, compared to only 48 percent in 2006, according to figures from the Norwegian Road Traffic Information Council (OFV). New tax policies favor diesel cars more and may further stimulate an increase in their proportion. However, it is debatable whether favoring diesel cars is good environmental policy.
A new study at CICERO compares gasoline and diesel engines for the same category of passenger cars within a climate perspective. In the study, the climate effects of the various components in the emissions are calculated so that net climate effects are compared over time. Knowledge gained from this is important in assessing the extent to which substituting gasoline with diesel is helpful in reducing global warming.
Both gasoline and diesel give a net climate warming effect. The study shows that diesel causes more warming than gasoline in the first decade after emission into the atmosphere, while gasoline causes most warming after that period. Which is best depends on your time perspective and what you want to achieve. If you emphasize short-term climate changes or the rate of warming, diesel comes out worse. On the other hand, when the emphasis is on more long-term climate changes, diesel clearly comes out best due to lower CO2 emissions per kilometer driven.
Less CO2 with diesel
The reason for the difference between diesel and gasoline is in the composition of their emissions. We know from before that passenger cars with diesel engines emit, depending on their condition, about 20 percent less of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) per kilometer than the same car type with gasoline engines. However, besides CO2, the exhaust contains a number of other components such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and particles. With the exception of CO, emissions of these components are generally higher from diesel cars, and lead to lower air quality and negative health effects.
But the particles CO and NOx also have important climate effects. The emission of NOx not only contributes to the formation of ozone that has a climate warming effect, but it also reduces the amount of the greenhouse gas methane, which results in a cooling effect. Soot particles from diesel engines absorb solar radiation and cause warming.
The climate effects of the various components work on very different time scales. While CO2 gives a long-term warming effect over several centuries, soot particles and NOx give an intense but short-term warming effect over circa one decade. Warming from diesel, with its higher emissions of the latter components, will therefore be intense right away. On the other hand, with a time perspective of more than 10-15 years where warming from CO2 dominates, gasoline causes greater warming.
New emissions requirements
The study also examines the effect of new requirements for emissions that will be introduced starting from 2009. These stricter emissions requirements will lead to reduced warming, particularly from diesel, and especially during the first few years.
Emissions from road traffic are regulated in the EU by the so-called Euro requirements. These were first introduced in 1993 and have been tightened several times. With the current requirements (Euro 4), higher emissions of NOx and particles are permitted from diesel cars than from gasoline cars. However, this will change with the new requirements (Euro 5) starting from 2009. Emissions requirements of NOx and particles will be tightened, resulting in cleaner diesel cars. Work is also in progress for further tightening of the requirements in 2014 and this will equalize these emissions from diesel and gasoline cars to an even greater extent.
CO2 will become more dominant
CO2 is, however, not included in the Euro requirements but regulated within the EU and EEA region by setting requirements for average CO2 emissions for all new vehicles from each individual manufacturer. With a tightening of requirements for NOx and particles emissions, it is the short, intense warming effect from diesel that will be reduced the most. CO2 will then dominate warming to an even greater extent. As a result, with Euro 5, gasoline is expected to cause more warming than diesel after only 5 years. Because it is the short-lived components that are affected, the regulations will mainly have an effect on warming during the first 10 to 15 years.
Because of the different compositions of emissions and many different climate effects on different time-scales, comparing diesel and gasoline is not straight forward. In addition, the effects on air quality and health have to be taken into consideration. This autumn, the Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT) released a report in which the environmental costs of CO2 emissions are compared with the health-care costs related to air pollution. With the new Euro 5 requirements, the main conclusion is that emissions from new diesel cars give lower net climate, environmental, and health-care costs than emissions from new gasoline cars. However, the climate effects of NOx, CO, VOC and soot particles are not analyzed in the report.
Sources www.sft.no www.ssb.no www.ofv.no
Ingrid Strømme, et al, Miljø- og helsekonsekvenser av utslipp fra bensin- og dieselkjøretøy [Environmental and health consequences of emissions from gasoline and diesel vehicles]. 2008, Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT)
Terje Berntsen, Jan S. Fuglestvedt, and Kristin Rypdal, Climate effects of passenger cars: gasoline versus diesel (in prep.). 2008.
What a phenomenal idea - to have a statue of Chuvalo put up in the JT! But where - Dupont and Symington - at Bloor? I'm thinking of something similar as to the one in Kensington Market of the King of Kensignton. How inspirational - and there have got to be local artists that would love to be a part of something so specific to positive community development. I have not sculpting talent? Who does - who would be interested in something like this? Would any local businesses be interested in supporting something like this? Would anyone be against this for any reason?
I remember speaking to David few years back about a few things. One of a few concerns residents had who live along the suggested street for the Bike Lanes who are from Portuguese and Vietnamese back ground wished they would of known about the meeting, many didn't know. I hope the coming meeting the Flyer can made in different languages and not, english only.
One of the other concerns the home owners/tax payers had they would of liked to have the meeting closer to lansdowne instead of the rec centre. Their are now other choices for a meeting on lansdowne. Yes loosing parking spots was a concern and also the other issues I mentioned in my last post.
Vic had mentioned that issues like Pollution co2, traffic, idling was not mentioned, because many of those in attendance were in favour of Bike Lanes these issues would not be mention or talk about it. Does not mean residents who live on the suggested street are not concern.
Their is a lot of hype about clean train and pollution from diesel which may be a future problem, but we have an current problem and that is pollution CO2 from idling cars, which are as harmful. JF
For what it's worth, there was a public meeting on Thursday March 25, 2010 at Wallace-Emerson (link), with flyers delivered to the directly affected areas on Lansdowne and nearby streets. [Lansdowne Ave. bike lanes were also approved as part of the City of Toronto Bike Plan in 2001 when Mario Silva was in office]. I remember that it was quite well attended by the community, with staff from a few City departments, Giambrone (and some of his staff), and Ana was there too. I would say that most of the people in attendance were supportive of the bike lanes, though there were a few detractors, and some people who were supportive still had minor issues with the design.
The biggest issue that seemed to bother people was the loss of parking spaces. I don't think traffic congestion / pollution was much of a concern because traffic lanes were not being reduced.
Dietrich, I forward your post to Ana's office to get her perspective.
This is very interesting. Is she or isn't she against bike lanes, only she can answer this. The councillor who I think is very community focus, helped secure money for the Library and is supporting most or all the other projects in the hood.
But community consultation is the right thing. Before any Bike lanes go in the people(residents) most effected by the narrowing of the street, loosing parking space, traffic, pollution(CO2) and idling of cars. I feel those residents should have some input. I know the people of Dupont didn't get that chance.
Ana I believe just wants to make sure that, IF the bike lanes do go in the community is aware of the + & - of it all and should have their voices heard. Now nothing wrong with that, is it???? JF
Would there be a possibility of erecting some kind of statue in George's honor in the area? One thing Toronto doesn't do well is erect spaces to honor our citizens...this would be great!
I just got a very disappointing update from Toronto Cycling infrastructure:
"...Thank you for your continued interest in this matter, and your patience. However, at the present time the installation of the bicycle lanes approved for Lansdowne Avenue from Bloor Street to Dupont Street is on-hold pending further consultation with the local community and the Councillor's office..."
This confirms that councilor Bailao's office is trying to remove the already approved bike lane. Hopefully, we can get some media attention surrounding this issue.
I remember when I was a kid I went to the Lansdowne Boxing club a number of times, I remember being alowed to use the medicne ball,skipping rope and I will always remember the trainer Teddy. Man what great memories.
If you wish to get a sense of the scope of this project here are MX's drawings. In general they are talking about 16 foot walls along the corridor. Its is sad that this material has taken so long to be presented to the public and many will recall from the original "consultations" that this aspect was played down at the time.
******NOTE that the first section of photos is "Opening Day" and followed by another set that is "Full Build Out" so look at both sets.
For those who live at the Co-op on Perth note that there is a special marking next to your building saying that more "investigation is required to determine mitigation requirements". This is due to the fact that there will be diesel trains stopping and slowly braking and accelerating at Bloor Station. It would stand to reason that sound, vibration, and pollution mitigation will become a big issue here.
since the trucks have been parked outside of my house for a few weeks, i'm now on a first name basis with some of the crew! the owner of this place also runs a place on bloor but the name escapes me now. i'm told that the restaurant will be using the "100 mile" diet approach, using local and organic suppliers. soft opening is expected in mid-may with official opening at the end of may. all signs point to this being great for the hood.
This is the interior of "The Sterling", an iconic 1919 building in the Junction Triangle that until recently was used for manufacturing. The manufacturing activities have since left and the building was purchased by Castlepoint Studio Partners Ltd. Since the purchase the development company has worked with Alcan and Rio Tinto to rejuvenate the property for conversion to mixed and residential use. The magnificent 1919 tower will be converted into authentic loft living spaces while is historic elegance will be restored.
Go for a walk by the new restaurant - they have new HUGE windows installed - this place is going to be AMAZING. Look at the attached archetectural drawings on the Farmhouse Taveern facebook page. I can't wait!
Ideally the statue should be in and around Dupont/Symington if all indications were that he worked at Royce-Dupont chicken...currently it is an empty lot which for years has been left abandoned...(southwest corner)...wouldn't it be nice if all forces came together to potentially place a nice little square complete with statue there...if anyone has contacts please join in...we would need a local artist, councillors, businesses and George himself
Hi Jack,
Ana is against the bike lanes. She told me specifically because Ubisoft was moving in and we were going to lose 76 parking spaces that they would likely need.
The community consultation was already done before the approval for the bike lane was secured. The bike lane was supposed to go in back in 2007.
I bought my house on Lansdowne Ave. because I thought the bike lane was going in, and I fully support and believe that the bike lane is a great thing for our community.
My great Uncles Samuel Huntley's property can be seen at the lower left of the map. His brother George, my g/grandfather had property just too the south abutting Bloor W. at Dundas W.
I live on Lansdowne and ride a bike, and I personally would not like to see bike lanes on this portion of Lansdowne. It is a busy stretch of road, and all bike lanes are going to do is impede traffic more, and increase idling cars in front of my house creating pollution and noise. I would rather ride my bike along the railpath for this stretch and be able to have my windows open and kids playing on the front yard. This road as no rush hour parking on the busy sides of the street for a reason, there are a lot people using this road, and I really don't want the street reduced and stop and go traffic in front of my house. Who are the bike lanes really benefiting? There are alternate bike friendly routes less than a block away (railpath going south and Davenport going east). Not worth it.
I totally agree. Create a safe network of bike paths and people will feel more confident riding.
There was an article in the Washington Post recently that more bike lanes do equal more cyclists.
I'm not surprised to hear that Ana's office has possibly delayed or cancelled these bike lanes from going in. She voted against removing the Jarvis lanes but in favour of removing the Pharmacy and Birchmount lanes if I recall correctly.
I typically avoid going up Lansdowne to Wallace once I reach Bloor as the road is in really rough shape. The buses and jaywalking pedestrians add to the danger of biking along this stretch of road. It's pretty much impossible to ride out of the door zone without being in the left hand lane.
I would really like to see the lanes installed but I think Symington is a safe alternative for now. The road is very wide, pretty smooth and it connects to the Davenport bike lane. Google Maps even has it listed a "bicycle friendly road."
....and so the BEST policy is to leave your car behind and TTC, walk, or ride and push for electric trains which are a greener and smarter transportation choice. Idling cars pollute, and so do ones in motion.
Either way all bad for the Environment, Children and the Vulnerable. However found an article which talks about this very subject:
Diesel Versus Gasoline: Which Is Best For The Climate?
More and more Norwegian cars have diesel engines. Whether these are actually more climate-friendly than gasoline-driven cars depends on which time perspective one emphasizes.
Av Marianne Tronstad Lund
In recent years, the proportion of diesel cars on Norwegian roads has increased. In 2007, 74 percent of new passenger cars had diesel engines, compared to only 48 percent in 2006, according to figures from the Norwegian Road Traffic Information Council (OFV). New tax policies favor diesel cars more and may further stimulate an increase in their proportion. However, it is debatable whether favoring diesel cars is good environmental policy.
A new study at CICERO compares gasoline and diesel engines for the same category of passenger cars within a climate perspective. In the study, the climate effects of the various components in the emissions are calculated so that net climate effects are compared over time. Knowledge gained from this is important in assessing the extent to which substituting gasoline with diesel is helpful in reducing global warming.
Both gasoline and diesel give a net climate warming effect. The study shows that diesel causes more warming than gasoline in the first decade after emission into the atmosphere, while gasoline causes most warming after that period. Which is best depends on your time perspective and what you want to achieve. If you emphasize short-term climate changes or the rate of warming, diesel comes out worse. On the other hand, when the emphasis is on more long-term climate changes, diesel clearly comes out best due to lower CO2 emissions per kilometer driven.
Less CO2 with diesel
The reason for the difference between diesel and gasoline is in the composition of their emissions. We know from before that passenger cars with diesel engines emit, depending on their condition, about 20 percent less of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide (CO2) per kilometer than the same car type with gasoline engines. However, besides CO2, the exhaust contains a number of other components such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), and particles. With the exception of CO, emissions of these components are generally higher from diesel cars, and lead to lower air quality and negative health effects.
But the particles CO and NOx also have important climate effects. The emission of NOx not only contributes to the formation of ozone that has a climate warming effect, but it also reduces the amount of the greenhouse gas methane, which results in a cooling effect. Soot particles from diesel engines absorb solar radiation and cause warming.
The climate effects of the various components work on very different time scales. While CO2 gives a long-term warming effect over several centuries, soot particles and NOx give an intense but short-term warming effect over circa one decade. Warming from diesel, with its higher emissions of the latter components, will therefore be intense right away. On the other hand, with a time perspective of more than 10-15 years where warming from CO2 dominates, gasoline causes greater warming.
New emissions requirements
The study also examines the effect of new requirements for emissions that will be introduced starting from 2009. These stricter emissions requirements will lead to reduced warming, particularly from diesel, and especially during the first few years.
Emissions from road traffic are regulated in the EU by the so-called Euro requirements. These were first introduced in 1993 and have been tightened several times. With the current requirements (Euro 4), higher emissions of NOx and particles are permitted from diesel cars than from gasoline cars. However, this will change with the new requirements (Euro 5) starting from 2009. Emissions requirements of NOx and particles will be tightened, resulting in cleaner diesel cars. Work is also in progress for further tightening of the requirements in 2014 and this will equalize these emissions from diesel and gasoline cars to an even greater extent.
CO2 will become more dominant
CO2 is, however, not included in the Euro requirements but regulated within the EU and EEA region by setting requirements for average CO2 emissions for all new vehicles from each individual manufacturer. With a tightening of requirements for NOx and particles emissions, it is the short, intense warming effect from diesel that will be reduced the most. CO2 will then dominate warming to an even greater extent. As a result, with Euro 5, gasoline is expected to cause more warming than diesel after only 5 years. Because it is the short-lived components that are affected, the regulations will mainly have an effect on warming during the first 10 to 15 years.
Because of the different compositions of emissions and many different climate effects on different time-scales, comparing diesel and gasoline is not straight forward. In addition, the effects on air quality and health have to be taken into consideration. This autumn, the Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT) released a report in which the environmental costs of CO2 emissions are compared with the health-care costs related to air pollution. With the new Euro 5 requirements, the main conclusion is that emissions from new diesel cars give lower net climate, environmental, and health-care costs than emissions from new gasoline cars. However, the climate effects of NOx, CO, VOC and soot particles are not analyzed in the report.
Sources
www.sft.no
www.ssb.no
www.ofv.no
Ingrid Strømme, et al, Miljø- og helsekonsekvenser av utslipp fra bensin- og dieselkjøretøy [Environmental and health consequences of emissions from gasoline and diesel vehicles]. 2008, Norwegian Pollution Control Authority (SFT)
Terje Berntsen, Jan S. Fuglestvedt, and Kristin Rypdal, Climate effects of passenger cars: gasoline versus diesel (in prep.). 2008.
What a phenomenal idea - to have a statue of Chuvalo put up in the JT! But where - Dupont and Symington - at Bloor? I'm thinking of something similar as to the one in Kensington Market of the King of Kensignton. How inspirational - and there have got to be local artists that would love to be a part of something so specific to positive community development. I have not sculpting talent? Who does - who would be interested in something like this? Would any local businesses be interested in supporting something like this? Would anyone be against this for any reason?
Just to set the record straight; car exhaust is not as toxic as diesel, it's not even close.
I remember speaking to David few years back about a few things. One of a few concerns residents had who live along the suggested street for the Bike Lanes who are from Portuguese and Vietnamese back ground wished they would of known about the meeting, many didn't know. I hope the coming meeting the Flyer can made in different languages and not, english only.
One of the other concerns the home owners/tax payers had they would of liked to have the meeting closer to lansdowne instead of the rec centre. Their are now other choices for a meeting on lansdowne. Yes loosing parking spots was a concern and also the other issues I mentioned in my last post.
Vic had mentioned that issues like Pollution co2, traffic, idling was not mentioned, because many of those in attendance were in favour of Bike Lanes these issues would not be mention or talk about it. Does not mean residents who live on the suggested street are not concern.
Their is a lot of hype about clean train and pollution from diesel which may be a future problem, but we have an current problem and that is pollution CO2 from idling cars, which are as harmful. JF
For what it's worth, there was a public meeting on Thursday March 25, 2010 at Wallace-Emerson (link), with flyers delivered to the directly affected areas on Lansdowne and nearby streets. [Lansdowne Ave. bike lanes were also approved as part of the City of Toronto Bike Plan in 2001 when Mario Silva was in office]. I remember that it was quite well attended by the community, with staff from a few City departments, Giambrone (and some of his staff), and Ana was there too. I would say that most of the people in attendance were supportive of the bike lanes, though there were a few detractors, and some people who were supportive still had minor issues with the design.
The biggest issue that seemed to bother people was the loss of parking spaces. I don't think traffic congestion / pollution was much of a concern because traffic lanes were not being reduced.
Dietrich, I forward your post to Ana's office to get her perspective.
This is very interesting. Is she or isn't she against bike lanes, only she can answer this. The councillor who I think is very community focus, helped secure money for the Library and is supporting most or all the other projects in the hood.
But community consultation is the right thing. Before any Bike lanes go in the people(residents) most effected by the narrowing of the street, loosing parking space, traffic, pollution(CO2) and idling of cars. I feel those residents should have some input. I know the people of Dupont didn't get that chance.
Ana I believe just wants to make sure that, IF the bike lanes do go in the community is aware of the + & - of it all and should have their voices heard. Now nothing wrong with that, is it???? JF
http://www.toronto.com/blog/post/723596--farmhouse-tavern-gets-junk-raided
Should be an interesting place.
Would there be a possibility of erecting some kind of statue in George's honor in the area? One thing Toronto doesn't do well is erect spaces to honor our citizens...this would be great!
I just got a very disappointing update from Toronto Cycling infrastructure:
"...Thank you for your continued interest in this matter, and your patience. However, at the present time the installation of the bicycle lanes approved for Lansdowne Avenue from Bloor Street to Dupont Street is on-hold pending further consultation with the local community and the Councillor's office..."
This confirms that councilor Bailao's office is trying to remove the already approved bike lane. Hopefully, we can get some media attention surrounding this issue.
I remember when I was a kid I went to the Lansdowne Boxing club a number of times, I remember being alowed to use the medicne ball,skipping rope and I will always remember the trainer Teddy. Man what great memories.
Here is some more info about the restaurant:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/FARMHOUSE-Tavern/245067398922195
Some good looking photos of what they want to do(it's a beautiful building to begin with)
And this:
http://www.toronto.com/blog/post/723596--farmhouse-tavern-gets-junk-raided
I heard a name for the new place they are playing with is, "The Farmhouse Tavern". I see exposed brick inside, and I like that...
If you wish to get a sense of the scope of this project here are MX's drawings. In general they are talking about 16 foot walls along the corridor. Its is sad that this material has taken so long to be presented to the public and many will recall from the original "consultations" that this aspect was played down at the time.
http://www.gotransit.com/gts/en/docs/GTS_Operational_Noise_and_Vibration...
******NOTE that the first section of photos is "Opening Day" and followed by another set that is "Full Build Out" so look at both sets.
For those who live at the Co-op on Perth note that there is a special marking next to your building saying that more "investigation is required to determine mitigation requirements". This is due to the fact that there will be diesel trains stopping and slowly braking and accelerating at Bloor Station. It would stand to reason that sound, vibration, and pollution mitigation will become a big issue here.
La Societe Bistro..that's the name of the other one..at least this is what i've been told.
Great news! If you happen to think of the name of their other location, definitely post it.
since the trucks have been parked outside of my house for a few weeks, i'm now on a first name basis with some of the crew! the owner of this place also runs a place on bloor but the name escapes me now. i'm told that the restaurant will be using the "100 mile" diet approach, using local and organic suppliers. soft opening is expected in mid-may with official opening at the end of may. all signs point to this being great for the hood.
sharon
This is the interior of "The Sterling", an iconic 1919 building in the Junction Triangle that until recently was used for manufacturing. The manufacturing activities have since left and the building was purchased by Castlepoint Studio Partners Ltd. Since the purchase the development company has worked with Alcan and Rio Tinto to rejuvenate the property for conversion to mixed and residential use. The magnificent 1919 tower will be converted into authentic loft living spaces while is historic elegance will be restored.
New Yorker Annik La Farge writes a blog about NYC's famous "High Line" trail. She recently and wrote about our West Toronto Railpath:
http://livinthehighline.com/urban-greenways/west-toronto-railpath/