Psst...hey John, it's us. You know us. We're the only ones that care about you. You know that. Everyone else thinks that your inconvenience of losing a parking space 6 feet from your house is selfish. They're just jealous of you and your parking spot because just about everyone in this area has trouble with parking in front of their homes. But not you and now the City's gone and ruined your great deal in a public space.
We're the only ones that care about your rat problem. You know that. We're the same see. We're all cut from the same cloth. These hippie liberal leftie tree huggers -- what are they vegetarians or maybe even vegans? What the f**k!? They don't care about your rat problem. Only we do. We care about you John. We care about you and the rest of this area. We've been fighting crime and poverty for over 20 years. We care -- only us. I'm sure if we asked those hippie liberal leftie tree huggers to help fight Giambrone's office to find a way to fill in that old tunnel, they'll just crawl away and ignore us because THEY are not like the rest of us. They're so selfish with their inclusive community garden arguments and talk of compromise.
Those hippie liberal leftie tree huggers -- you know the type -- they read Now Magazine and the Globe and Mail. They drink lattes and like to cycle on the bike path, they want to f**k up this place with their fancy gardening ideas and other projects they say will help this area. I just wish they'd leave us the hell alone. We'll now tell them that we vote Green Party, you see. Put them in a false sense of security. Then BAM,!! We'll hit them with double speak. Because you know, we're the only one who care about you John and this area. No else gives a sh*t but us. You know us. We care.
your right im a tenant but i do live here i do pay rent i do pay for my parking permit i do have my rights hell i live i never said no to green space i did say no to vegatable garden i also said lets make this place safer for everyone NOW DO YOU REMEMBER ME SAYING THAT SCOTTY
dose she take away peoples parking space dose she take away places were kids play dose she put it close to peoples houses dose she lie about what kind of green space she wants
When John and they family bought their home they were able to park their and now they can't and he does pay for this, it's called a parking permit, it's not for free. I think in all fairness ,I would react the same way, it has nothing to do with walking to your car. You were not a the meeting with John, Virginia and Adam. He promised John some parking space with the extension. now were's the beef.
You know parking is an issue in the hood. The stripe of street where I live on Symington, between Wallace and Paton/Ernest has no lane way, that's the way it was done back in the 1800's, some people want to put a driveway in the front of their homes and were told they can't. Now they pay for parking on the street, why can't they allow them to put a drive way, what's wrong with a littel bit convenience. I can see why John would be upset
Scott back in the 80's when I and others in the community took on the city and provincal goverment in regards to the enviroment they laughed at us. They soon learned that in numbers, a community has power. We changed their way of looking at us. And over time, we now have a cleaner, safer community we can live in...in a health perspective. We were told that when the Juntion Tiangle was being developed, there was no thought process in the repercussions of having industry mixed in with residential. Back then the factorys that were here were really a storage depot for companies in the US to store their goods here for redistribution through out the province. Yeh, I guess we can blame all those before us because they didn't know any better. Now we do.
People have complained for years about Solways, they have this attitude, because our 3 elected officals have not come down hard enough of them has made their heads big. I went to their office many times in the past. The last time when I was their I was told bt a witness, that one of their staff stole a butterfly from Holly's garden. I was the organizer for that each butterfly cost someone $100 dedicating it to a love one they lost. The police was involved could not find the worker. Most scrape yards, do not allow walk in only by driven in. Unfortunately men who are homeless or addicts or both, steal or find metal and bring it there for $$$. I myself and neighbours were victims of thieft have had stuff stolen from our property for years. The unsafe trucks and unsafe load has been as issue as well. Good to hear that pressure is been put on them. This I support
Scott to be far to John. He is the one who will have to live with what ever goes in front of his house. He has that ugly block that is closes off. It has stairs that goes into the tunnel. That tunnel gives you access to Lansdown. That tunnel is always flooded and when We meet with Adam in front of John's house Adam has told us that the city quit often pumps out the water. Now you know that stagnat water produces masquitoes, and in the summer it stinks. The ground around John's house is somewhat contaminated. The city has planted a tree on is lawn and they have had to replace it twice already because it dies. Let's show some empathy here. None of us knows the inpact on him or his family. Let's face it how many of us would like a park to be right up against your front lawn and have people sitting on a park bench and talking at all hours of the park....I know I wouldn't. Some of the residence who live across the street from Campbell Park have that same complaint.
I have been working on this since 2003 and have amassed an extensive stack of paperwork on the topic dating back to 1975. I have somewhat dragged MLS into this century, they caused this problem in the first place in 1953 and then everybody passed the buck after that and then MLS fell asleep for a few years. I have done some area tours with new MLS head JimHart and another residents which have been helpful but at the end of the day their hands are somewhat tied by the bad choices made from1953 until 1996. At one time not even the City gave a crap about this area but that has changed a bit; the legacy of idiotic choices lingers. One of the best things is that Railpath now exists where in 1977 the City of Toronto thought they would do us a favour by putting in a truck service road that would have turned this area into a wasteland.
The sad part is that Solways still uses the road as if they owned it. Those days are coming to an end though and one look at new sidewalks, new townhouses, and the BG club tells the story.
Most people, realizing that they had been mislead would want to put the soil back rather than be innocent accomplices in a criminal scheme. That would be the honorable thing to do and some have. The issue though is who mislead them to take it in the first place. Could it be the people that printed signs on their computers that were made to look like printouts from the councilors office (yeah those were collected too) ie people that took the time to fabricate fake City documents? I don't feel that people should steal. Period.
This is one of the most silly things I have ever read. "Hippies"? "Kumbaya"? What year are you living in? Community gardens cause prostitution. Yeah right. Community Gardens are mainstream now. They exist everywhere already. But be honest John, you are a tenant in a one garage house and this is really about you being able to park 6 feet from your door correct? That's what you told me. You said you didnt want to have to walk more than 20 feet to your car. You said that in front of 3 people. Walk 21 feet, it will be good for you.
You mean Hazel McCallion Mayor of Mississauga, such a well know gardener that a rose was named after her and who sponsors a yearly golf tournament that funds gardening initiatives? You mean the Mayor who along with a list of grade A sponsors from some of Canada's best known businesses supports community gardening and gardening as a teaching tool?
If you want to go to Hazel's office and tell her you are against green space, be my guest.
And hello, no decision about gardens has been made, the promised community consultation has not happened, and there have been ideas expressed about moving a community garden further into the park, a compromise that in person you said you liked.
ive never been so sick of living somewhere as this place hey keven whats the problem you wanted A GARDEN BUT YOU DONT WANT IT IN YOUR FRONT YARD YOU WANT IT IN FRONT OF MY PLACE MAYBE YOUR PLACE IS TO SMALL FOR A GARDEN IM SURE IF YOU ASK HAZEL YOU KNOW THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA GO TELL HER YOU WANT A VEGATABLE GARDEN SEE HOW MUCH SHE LAUGHS AT YOU THEN KICKS YOU OUT YE I KNOW I SPELLED YOUR NAME WRONG JUST SOUNDS BETTER THAT WAY
patsy does jack own you money or did he break a promise you know you should relax i know jack hes no bully if he was i think him and i would get along much better he just wants to be notified of whos screwing his neighbours i think he is to nice just count your blessings you dont deal with someone that bites back LETS GO JACK FAVA LOL
These people (Solways) have caused nothing but problems for the community over the years they been here, never ever given back to this community. To many to name. BUT, everytime I complained to our councillor. I was told they have a right to be here, yes they do, but we have paid a price for it and we will for many years to come, specially with the contaimination that is on that location. I'm very surprised and thank god, that's if you believe in one, no one has ever been killed by a truck. One day I was on my porch and I seen a wheel come off a truck, luckly there was no other person on the road.
why dont you come here and show me how to control the rats from the tunnel and train tracks come show me how your veggatables will make it better what about the kids that dosent matter as long as you have your tomatoes who cares if kids played hockey or soccer or some learned to ride a bike there the money that was spent there could have made this place safer oh and i love comming home from work to the smell of horse crap mountains of it so you can have the garden we are living in the year 2009 not the 60s i dont get me wrong i love vegatables thats why i go to no frills price choppers metro lablaws im pretty sure no one pissed on the tomatoes or lettuce
John, your courage at chasing away hookers and drug dealers, picking up dirty needles and condoms should be acknowledged and commended. You helped make the area a better place to live. Are there still more hookers and drug dealers hanging around the park at night?
If there was a community garden planned, and so far there are no plans, just a proposal for community consultation, do you think a highly used space with zucchini and tomatoes growing would make the place less inviting for drug dealers or more inviting for them to use as a place of business?
As for rats, this is from the Humane Society:
Modify Their Habitat: Good sanitation is the best and most economic way to control rats. Follow these steps to keep rats away or to keep their numbers in check:
Clear away any rubbish piled close to buildings to expose burrows and openings that rats might use to get in.
Store and dispose of garbage properly, so that rats can’t get into it.
If you feed your pets outside, leave the food out for just long enough to be eaten, and then remove it.
Clean up pet droppings from the yard every day.
Remove old wood or rubbish from the property since these are regular rat hangouts.
Community gardens have been around way before the '60s hippie culture. Community gardens during WWI and WWII were called Victory Gardens, and it was a way for people to reduce the pressure on the public food supply system because of the war.
Who now owns that land that once was Gliden Pant? I agree with you on community gardens. In the early 90's I sat on the Food Policy Council. We were the ones that started the ball rolling. I am proud of our accomplishments in establishing community gardens. But we must also be mindful of other view points in this matter as well. I see both sides and try to stay nutural.
HEY PATSY YOU HAVE NO CLASS CALLING PEOPLE NAMES BUT WHAT CAN WE EXCPECT FROM YOU TREE HUGGING HIPPIES I LIVE INFRONT OF YOUR AMAZNG GARDEN OF CRAP WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN HERE I WAS CHASSING AWAY THE HOOKERS THE DRUG DEALERS WHILE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW TREE HUGGERS WERE SINGING CUMMBA YA MA DARLING IM THE 1 THAT PICKED UP THE DIRTY NEEDELS THE CONDOMS FROM AROUND HERE IM THE 1 THAT PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE TO CLEAN THIS PLACE UP AND FOR WHAT VEGGATABLES LOLO I DONT THINK YOU WILL EAT WHAT YOU PLANT YOU WILL BE FEEDING THE RATS THE RACOONS AND THE DRUG USERS AFTER THEY SMOKE THERE JOINT THEY WILL GET THE MUNCHIES SO BRING OUT YOUR GUITAR SING WE ARE THE WORLD BECAUSE THATS ALL YOUR GOING TO DO WITH A VEGATABLE GARDEN FULL OF NOTHING
Scott in all honesty, we would give anyone who came over to the park and if they wanted to write something one of us gave them a blank poster. I don't even remember all those that wrote anything down. Who has the sign now? Finger prints are a option.subway
The City actually wanted a wider sidewalk for more safety but Solways threatened to sue so the City compromised with this sidewalk. There will also be some new barriers to keep Solways trucks off the Railpath. Getting this done was pushed forward by residents and the Councilors office with some help from MLS.
if these tree huggers dont put there name on what they write i know there cowards
John, Don't listen to this. Take a break from SJT site.
maybe you can put your name so i can thank you lol
Psst...hey John, it's us. You know us. We're the only ones that care about you. You know that. Everyone else thinks that your inconvenience of losing a parking space 6 feet from your house is selfish. They're just jealous of you and your parking spot because just about everyone in this area has trouble with parking in front of their homes. But not you and now the City's gone and ruined your great deal in a public space.
We're the only ones that care about your rat problem. You know that. We're the same see. We're all cut from the same cloth. These hippie liberal leftie tree huggers -- what are they vegetarians or maybe even vegans? What the f**k!? They don't care about your rat problem. Only we do. We care about you John. We care about you and the rest of this area. We've been fighting crime and poverty for over 20 years. We care -- only us. I'm sure if we asked those hippie liberal leftie tree huggers to help fight Giambrone's office to find a way to fill in that old tunnel, they'll just crawl away and ignore us because THEY are not like the rest of us. They're so selfish with their inclusive community garden arguments and talk of compromise.
Those hippie liberal leftie tree huggers -- you know the type -- they read Now Magazine and the Globe and Mail. They drink lattes and like to cycle on the bike path, they want to f**k up this place with their fancy gardening ideas and other projects they say will help this area. I just wish they'd leave us the hell alone. We'll now tell them that we vote Green Party, you see. Put them in a false sense of security. Then BAM,!! We'll hit them with double speak. Because you know, we're the only one who care about you John and this area. No else gives a sh*t but us. You know us. We care.
your right im a tenant but i do live here i do pay rent i do pay for my parking permit i do have my rights hell i live i never said no to green space i did say no to vegatable garden i also said lets make this place safer for everyone NOW DO YOU REMEMBER ME SAYING THAT SCOTTY
dose she take away peoples parking space dose she take away places were kids play dose she put it close to peoples houses dose she lie about what kind of green space she wants
When John and they family bought their home they were able to park their and now they can't and he does pay for this, it's called a parking permit, it's not for free. I think in all fairness ,I would react the same way, it has nothing to do with walking to your car. You were not a the meeting with John, Virginia and Adam. He promised John some parking space with the extension. now were's the beef.
You know parking is an issue in the hood. The stripe of street where I live on Symington, between Wallace and Paton/Ernest has no lane way, that's the way it was done back in the 1800's, some people want to put a driveway in the front of their homes and were told they can't. Now they pay for parking on the street, why can't they allow them to put a drive way, what's wrong with a littel bit convenience. I can see why John would be upset
Scott back in the 80's when I and others in the community took on the city and provincal goverment in regards to the enviroment they laughed at us. They soon learned that in numbers, a community has power. We changed their way of looking at us. And over time, we now have a cleaner, safer community we can live in...in a health perspective. We were told that when the Juntion Tiangle was being developed, there was no thought process in the repercussions of having industry mixed in with residential. Back then the factorys that were here were really a storage depot for companies in the US to store their goods here for redistribution through out the province. Yeh, I guess we can blame all those before us because they didn't know any better. Now we do.
People have complained for years about Solways, they have this attitude, because our 3 elected officals have not come down hard enough of them has made their heads big. I went to their office many times in the past. The last time when I was their I was told bt a witness, that one of their staff stole a butterfly from Holly's garden. I was the organizer for that each butterfly cost someone $100 dedicating it to a love one they lost. The police was involved could not find the worker. Most scrape yards, do not allow walk in only by driven in. Unfortunately men who are homeless or addicts or both, steal or find metal and bring it there for $$$. I myself and neighbours were victims of thieft have had stuff stolen from our property for years. The unsafe trucks and unsafe load has been as issue as well. Good to hear that pressure is been put on them. This I support
Scott to be far to John. He is the one who will have to live with what ever goes in front of his house. He has that ugly block that is closes off. It has stairs that goes into the tunnel. That tunnel gives you access to Lansdown. That tunnel is always flooded and when We meet with Adam in front of John's house Adam has told us that the city quit often pumps out the water. Now you know that stagnat water produces masquitoes, and in the summer it stinks. The ground around John's house is somewhat contaminated. The city has planted a tree on is lawn and they have had to replace it twice already because it dies. Let's show some empathy here. None of us knows the inpact on him or his family. Let's face it how many of us would like a park to be right up against your front lawn and have people sitting on a park bench and talking at all hours of the park....I know I wouldn't. Some of the residence who live across the street from Campbell Park have that same complaint.
I have been working on this since 2003 and have amassed an extensive stack of paperwork on the topic dating back to 1975. I have somewhat dragged MLS into this century, they caused this problem in the first place in 1953 and then everybody passed the buck after that and then MLS fell asleep for a few years. I have done some area tours with new MLS head JimHart and another residents which have been helpful but at the end of the day their hands are somewhat tied by the bad choices made from1953 until 1996. At one time not even the City gave a crap about this area but that has changed a bit; the legacy of idiotic choices lingers. One of the best things is that Railpath now exists where in 1977 the City of Toronto thought they would do us a favour by putting in a truck service road that would have turned this area into a wasteland.
The sad part is that Solways still uses the road as if they owned it. Those days are coming to an end though and one look at new sidewalks, new townhouses, and the BG club tells the story.
Most people, realizing that they had been mislead would want to put the soil back rather than be innocent accomplices in a criminal scheme. That would be the honorable thing to do and some have. The issue though is who mislead them to take it in the first place. Could it be the people that printed signs on their computers that were made to look like printouts from the councilors office (yeah those were collected too) ie people that took the time to fabricate fake City documents? I don't feel that people should steal. Period.
This is one of the most silly things I have ever read. "Hippies"? "Kumbaya"? What year are you living in? Community gardens cause prostitution. Yeah right. Community Gardens are mainstream now. They exist everywhere already. But be honest John, you are a tenant in a one garage house and this is really about you being able to park 6 feet from your door correct? That's what you told me. You said you didnt want to have to walk more than 20 feet to your car. You said that in front of 3 people. Walk 21 feet, it will be good for you.
You mean Hazel McCallion Mayor of Mississauga, such a well know gardener that a rose was named after her and who sponsors a yearly golf tournament that funds gardening initiatives? You mean the Mayor who along with a list of grade A sponsors from some of Canada's best known businesses supports community gardening and gardening as a teaching tool?
http://www.ecosource.ca/oursupporters
Yeah THAT Hazel.
If you want to go to Hazel's office and tell her you are against green space, be my guest.
And hello, no decision about gardens has been made, the promised community consultation has not happened, and there have been ideas expressed about moving a community garden further into the park, a compromise that in person you said you liked.
dose that meen the people that took the top soil should put it back
ive never been so sick of living somewhere as this place hey keven whats the problem you wanted A GARDEN BUT YOU DONT WANT IT IN YOUR FRONT YARD YOU WANT IT IN FRONT OF MY PLACE MAYBE YOUR PLACE IS TO SMALL FOR A GARDEN IM SURE IF YOU ASK HAZEL YOU KNOW THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA GO TELL HER YOU WANT A VEGATABLE GARDEN SEE HOW MUCH SHE LAUGHS AT YOU THEN KICKS YOU OUT YE I KNOW I SPELLED YOUR NAME WRONG JUST SOUNDS BETTER THAT WAY
patsy does jack own you money or did he break a promise you know you should relax i know jack hes no bully if he was i think him and i would get along much better he just wants to be notified of whos screwing his neighbours i think he is to nice just count your blessings you dont deal with someone that bites back LETS GO JACK FAVA LOL
These people (Solways) have caused nothing but problems for the community over the years they been here, never ever given back to this community. To many to name. BUT, everytime I complained to our councillor. I was told they have a right to be here, yes they do, but we have paid a price for it and we will for many years to come, specially with the contaimination that is on that location. I'm very surprised and thank god, that's if you believe in one, no one has ever been killed by a truck. One day I was on my porch and I seen a wheel come off a truck, luckly there was no other person on the road.
why dont you come here and show me how to control the rats from the tunnel and train tracks come show me how your veggatables will make it better what about the kids that dosent matter as long as you have your tomatoes who cares if kids played hockey or soccer or some learned to ride a bike there the money that was spent there could have made this place safer oh and i love comming home from work to the smell of horse crap mountains of it so you can have the garden we are living in the year 2009 not the 60s i dont get me wrong i love vegatables thats why i go to no frills price choppers metro lablaws im pretty sure no one pissed on the tomatoes or lettuce
John, your courage at chasing away hookers and drug dealers, picking up dirty needles and condoms should be acknowledged and commended. You helped make the area a better place to live. Are there still more hookers and drug dealers hanging around the park at night?
If there was a community garden planned, and so far there are no plans, just a proposal for community consultation, do you think a highly used space with zucchini and tomatoes growing would make the place less inviting for drug dealers or more inviting for them to use as a place of business?
As for rats, this is from the Humane Society:
Modify Their Habitat:
Good sanitation is the best and most economic way to control rats. Follow these steps to keep rats away or to keep their numbers in check:
Community gardens have been around way before the '60s hippie culture. Community gardens during WWI and WWII were called Victory Gardens, and it was a way for people to reduce the pressure on the public food supply system because of the war.
From The American Community Garden Association (it also includes Canada): http://communitygarden.org/learn/
Benefits of Community Gardens:
I hope some of this information will help reduce some of the stress you may be feeling about your surroundings.
Cheers
Who now owns that land that once was Gliden Pant? I agree with you on community gardens. In the early 90's I sat on the Food Policy Council. We were the ones that started the ball rolling. I am proud of our accomplishments in establishing community gardens. But we must also be mindful of other view points in this matter as well. I see both sides and try to stay nutural.
HEY PATSY YOU HAVE NO CLASS CALLING PEOPLE NAMES BUT WHAT CAN WE EXCPECT FROM YOU TREE HUGGING HIPPIES I LIVE INFRONT OF YOUR AMAZNG GARDEN OF CRAP WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN HERE I WAS CHASSING AWAY THE HOOKERS THE DRUG DEALERS WHILE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW TREE HUGGERS WERE SINGING CUMMBA YA MA DARLING IM THE 1 THAT PICKED UP THE DIRTY NEEDELS THE CONDOMS FROM AROUND HERE IM THE 1 THAT PUT MY LIFE ON THE LINE TO CLEAN THIS PLACE UP AND FOR WHAT VEGGATABLES LOLO I DONT THINK YOU WILL EAT WHAT YOU PLANT YOU WILL BE FEEDING THE RATS THE RACOONS AND THE DRUG USERS AFTER THEY SMOKE THERE JOINT THEY WILL GET THE MUNCHIES SO BRING OUT YOUR GUITAR SING WE ARE THE WORLD BECAUSE THATS ALL YOUR GOING TO DO WITH A VEGATABLE GARDEN FULL OF NOTHING
Scott in all honesty, we would give anyone who came over to the park and if they wanted to write something one of us gave them a blank poster. I don't even remember all those that wrote anything down. Who has the sign now? Finger prints are a option.subway
The City actually wanted a wider sidewalk for more safety but Solways threatened to sue so the City compromised with this sidewalk. There will also be some new barriers to keep Solways trucks off the Railpath. Getting this done was pushed forward by residents and the Councilors office with some help from MLS.
There was an investigator on the scene this morning.
(Sorry, just wanted to inject a bit of humour into this)