I was glad to see this sign go up. I've been to the website and it looks like it is for employment. The plans online say they are light industrial retail and studio/workshop lofts. And considering what is currently there, don't you think this is a good thing for the neighborhood? It also seems like a pretty good price considering you get almost 3000 square feet of loft space.
i met George at my highschool (over 10 years ago) in Bancroft, his story was painful and very "in your face" to a bunch of a teenagers, good job George!
My proposal was just a feeler and by no means a perfect plan. And of course its a lot of work. My intent was to try and move the yardsticks and see if anybody else has any ideas about making this process better.
As somebody who ran a large community festival for 3 years I understand how tiring this stuff is and everybody is a critic, in this case I am the critic. So thank you and the FB folk for all the time you have invested.
1.What if you just extended the nomination a week so we can all send extra emails out to get as many names nominated and as many involved.
2.Announce the panel who will reduce the names to a workable 3 top names (they would exclude any name that there is legal issues with or is a joke name or is unworkable (like 78 letters long) based on their experience, and of course there would be locals on the panel too.
3. Then have a community vote, in order of preference, on those 3 names. The names use a weighted system and a winner is announced. This vote happens in March the same way the nominations are happening right now. You add in some help from the councilor to distribute and publicize the second vote and you ask for volunteers to "talk to their block" to get people out for the vote.
This is the simplest version I can think of where residents will actually pick the name.
In this simple version you have have improved the vote and possibly the numbers of voters without scrapping any of the work done to date.If FB could bend in this direction Naomi and I would be the first to commit to canvassing our block for a second vote and to sit on a volunteer committee to make sure that every block gets canvassed.
Thank you for your very detailed input Scott. I am honestly getting fuzzed out and reading your long list of suggestions, my question is who will want to take your suggestions and make them happen? I am seriously thinking that I've done my fair share thus far and will be very happy to let others take over and run with your suggestions?
Will you be willing to do the extra work for make your list of suggestions happen more "democratically" if you feel the current process is so unfair? As you say, more volunteers are needed.
I too would like to propose a simple, fair, and transparent voting process that can take over from where FB is now; making good on the good work that FB has done so far, but ensuring that the community actually get to directly vote on a name. The current process, of which the jury part is still unknown to the community, is not a democratic voting process but that doesn’t mean a fair naming process cant happen this year. It will take some more work but doing the right thing always does.
1.The current nomination process should be scrapped. Fuzzy Boundaries continues but FB will need help and a call for volunteers will have to go out and some people who don’t agree are going to have to get along to make this process as inclusive as FB says it wants to be, and as its critics say they want it to be. Bitching stops, hard work begins.
2. An expert in votes and plebiscites (probably from U of T) joins the process to iron out the details according to standard democratic procedure. All details will be hammered out with the aid of the Councilor and all details will be posted online in ADVANCE of any nomination or voting. Our expert will be available should any other kinks be detected. The over-riding governing principal will be: how do we make sure that as many residents as possible have the opportunity to nominate and then vote. Any meeting will have minutes taken that are publicly available.
3. A series of new nomination ballots be distributed using the help of the Councilor.
--each ballot requires a name and address and phone number to be considered valid. The ballot will have a link to an information privacy statement posted on the FB site, and have disclaimer that no personal information will be private and not used for any other purpose.
--Each ballot asks for 3 choices in order of preference; a far superior system of reaching a consensus view of a community opinion than the standard “first past the post system”.
-- An online ballot version with the same rules is available
--The nominations are added up using the standard “weighted” system and made public
4. A further meeting is held in September that may include experts, politicians, in addition to the residents. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss the results, advocate in a fun way for choices, to vote out any names that are offensive, intended as a joke, or counter to naming. As well this meeting would serve as a pep rally for volunteers to publicize the later vote including activities like:
-- actual volunteers going door to door to talk with neighbours on their block until EVERY single block has been contacted directly
-- posters and flyer drop offs in stores and local community gathering places, aided by the Councillor
-- a drive for volunteers to staff the election
5. A Real Vote
It is logical to take advantage of the existing fall election to provide opportunity for as many people as possible to vote on a name. The drama of an existing election campaign will create additional interest in the naming vote and possibly draw local candidates into the debate.
-- A series of voting stations are setup in existing polling stations in our naming area.
--Each completed ballot requires a name and address and phone number to be considered valid. The ballot will have a link to a information privacy statement posted on the FB site, and have disclaimer that no personal information will be private and not used for any other purpose.
--Ballots contain the 5 most popular valid names from the nomination. This ballot, and the names, will already have been displayed on the website.
--Voters select 3 of the 5 in order of preference, again for a more consensual result. The results are weighted according to these preferences just like many other votes and plebiscites.
--Ballots will remain uncounted until the voting is over. Results would be known on election night and publicized.
--The winner is announced
The bottom line with this plan is that all the good work of FB would be recognized AND everybody could feel good that residents actually hand a direct hand in the vote naming the community they live in. I recognize that under no process will 100% of people vote and that there will be some people unhappy no matter what happens. But I don’t want to take the easy route out by using the “well most people don’t care” excuse. I don’t want to feel that some residents had more of a say than others and that the majority had no say at all. I would rather live by the choice of my fellow residents than some un-named jury entirely sponsored by the Real Estate industry. I frankly don’t want to hear bitching about the process/name for the next 30 years because we didn’t try to make this process as democratic as it should be.
A year ago Fuzzy Boundaries said “We are not out to name the neighbourhood ourselves, but to inspire the community to choose a name...”
A direct vote process like this makes it so. Or somebody else’s direct vote plan makes it so. Why would anybody be against letting the community decide?
Does anybody else out there have any ideas to make this process democratic ?
This does not even take into account the number of deaths caused by air pollution in our city, much of which is the direct result of motor vehicle exhaust: "A 2004 study conducted by Toronto Public Health estimated that about 1,700 premature deaths each year in Toronto are attributable to acute and chronic exposures to five common air pollutants." http://www.toronto.ca/health/hphe/pdf/boh_combined_impact_smog_and_heat.pdf
As a neighbourhood, and society in general, we would fare better ridding ourselves of our biggest killers first. How about we fight against the automotive-supporting industries in that plaza and elsewhere in our neighbourhood first? Having these types of industries anywhere near schools should be an outrage. Let's get rid of them first, then we could walk to the LCBO without choking on exhaust or worrying about getting schmucked by a motor vehicle. :)
oh , by the way kevin from what we have heard its not a rumor,
btw rumour is that the LLCBO was kicked out of cross-ways when their lease ended because crossways management had enough of all the drunks pan handling , lying around , and urinating in doorways etc...the smell did get quite bad ...
yes lots of kids near by, but also that coffee shop is a major hangout for drug dealers, some of the major drug dealers in the region do business out of that coffee shop.
so drugs and booze right next to a catholic school, its too bad.
George Chuvalo didn't quite live in the area he lived on a small street call Laughton Ave. just before Davenport Rd. My family before they moved to were I now live also lived on Laughton. George and my youngest brother went to Humberside they were classmates. He was always at my house and we watched his career over the years and his heart breaks. My parents new his parents well.
He worked at Royce-Dupont Poultry Packers and Irv Ungerman was his promoter not manager. Not to sure who managed him then. He has remarried to a wanderful women and his wife now manages his business. He now does a lot a public speaking at schools were he hopes to make a difference in a young person's life were drugs are concerned. When his wife and George are together you can see he is totaly devoted to her and she is the same towards him. They now live in Etobicoke and have been married over 10 years now.
My son who owns his own media business has worked with George. When George realized who my son was, he was over the moon and wanted to know everything about my family and how they were doing. My son has often talked of George talking about the old times that he has with my brothers and at my house. I hope that helps clarify some of the missing links.
On one occation, I was on a date with a guy I realy didn't want to be with. My brother and George were talking on the phone that night My brother mentioned to George that I was out on a date with someone my brother didn't like and he was concerned for my safety so they desided to come to the restaurant were we were having dinner. George and my brother went up to our table in a intimidating way and asked if my date was treating me OK. I said we were fine and George said they would be sitting at one of the tables if I should need them. My date asked who that person was and I told him he was my bodygaurd. That was my first and thank God my last date with that guy.
I feel that there needs to be a better balance between hockey and family/pleasure skating on the Campbell ice rink. Specifically, the time given to both sports ought to be shared equally. After all, we all pay taxes. It is ridiculous that family skating is only once per week for a couple of hours.
Scott thank you for saying what I have been thinking. Let's go back to the begining when the group first formed. You relied on the web to get your message across. But you forgot one thing not everyone knew about the web-sit or the group. Not everyone has a computor and you have people who don't read English. Somehow you need to connect with the masses. The correct way to have done it by distributing flyers to all residence of the Junction Triangle. The boundaries are the rail tracks north of Dupont. The tracks to the west and east and Bloor to the south. I never got any yellow postcard annoucing the vote that some got south of Wallace. I know many residence north of Dupont, and they never heard of the group or any meetings.
I know a project such as this is laborious, but if done correctly can pay off in the end. The group needs to reach out to all residence in the community with a flyer's, and community newspaper coverage announcing who you are and what you want to atchieve. Hold a few general meetings. At your last meeting, ask residence to come up with names. Vote on say the 5 most popular names then announce when the vote will take place. Out of fairness every household in the community should get a postcard with the date the vote will be held (the vote should be one day not spread over a week). In the end the vote is counted and the name with the most votes wins the election.
I have a real problem with people casting their vote and then a pannel of people sifts through all the vote and they pick out a name not the residence. Some of the people I have spoken to have great objection to that method. Third world countries vote in that way so they can stack the government with their people. In a democratic society such as ours, we vote and in the end our vote counts. I am not comfortable with the way this is being handled.
I hope you reconsider they way you are going about this process. I have no objection to the naming of the community as long as it is far and above board.
adding more 'upscale' (from the point of view of price range, not design quality) accommodation, when what the City needs is affordable (and mixed) housing, makes no sense. And i thought this was "employment land".
to anyone considering this project, i would suggest having a good close look at MetroLinx plan for removing the Go track diamond @ Dupont/Lansdowne; one of the planned options would close Wallace, dead ending it at the tracks (right beside "Wallace Industrial Lofts").
Not to be a stickler for details and Vic I can personally vouch that you are an honest person but I would like to clarify that your statement
"If you came to any of the three public meetings where the process was discussed and continually approved by the attendees".
By the third meeting the process was already underway so it doesn't count.
I was at 2 other meetings and at the first there was general talk about the process from Kevin and then at the second Bruce Ward talked about the process in more detail. In neither case was there a vote on the process. What you are actually saying is that at 2 meeting there were no objections. But I can speak for myself and say that I personally talked with all members of the FB group with concerns about the process including yourself over the last year, some of the same concerns that are starting to be voiced.
In terms of the website, the process as described is a year after the initial meeting is still lacking in information about who the "experts" are, how they are chosen, and how their process will work. I accept that a panel will develop their own procedures but at this point most of the panel process remains unknown to the public and the panels methodology has never been presented to the public.
I would also point out that I have seen writings that clearly state the intent; "where community members will name their ’hood — once and for all." and can understand where even community members who support a new name would have difficulty reconciling the current process as far as it is known and that kind of statement. Saying "Even if the panel chooses a name that people don't like, nobody is forced to use it" seems to be a cop out. Why be scared of revising the process to actually get as many people as possible voting on an actual name?
I support the naming project and the good it has done but I suggest that the FB group might want to reconsider the process in light of some of the complaints or at least clear up some aspects of the process (like who is on the panel) before proceeding. In the end a vote on a specific name, or 3 names, by as many locals as possible would make the most people happy.
Vic, Yesterday was the first time I heard that the name will be choosen by other then the majority(residents). The other thing is regardless if I attend the meetings or not, there are many who live in the catchment area, about 15,000 strong who didn't attend the meetings but still have a voice, it's called fairness, giving all a voice.
Vic, you can't advertise and tell people to vote for a name for their community and then say, sorry the final decision will be made by a panel. The final word and decision should be made by residents and residents only, just like the way we elect politicians, the ones with the more votes wins, regardless if we like the person or not, you live with it. The process should apply the same.
The other thing is why go through all this, then turn around and say, well people can call this community what they want. What about promoting, identy and the other stuff we heard and read in the media. I thought the whole objective according to Kevin/Fuzzy was to give the community a name, so everyone will known where they live. To me I like the Junction Triangle, but what ever the majority chooses, we live with it. Jack
The process has been set since at least May 2009. Why are you bringing it up just now?
If you came to any of the three public meetings where the process was discussed and continually approved by the attendees, you could have made your objections known. The process has been documented on the Fuzzy Boundaries website for many months. http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/NamingProcess
In the end, it's entirely up to the residents. Even if the panel chooses a name that people don't like, nobody is forced to use it. You can keep calling it Junction Triangle. A certain developer can keep calling it Davenport Village. Some people will keep calling us The Junction. Some silly real estate agents will even continue calling this Bloor West Village. People who like excessively long names can continue using the City's official "Dovercourt Wallace Emerson Junction" name.
I am not sure if what the paper wrote in the community news, NEIGHBOURS as been correct. As a resident of this community I have a concern on how the name is choosen, if what the paper is saying to been correct, there is a problem. It was quoted in the paper that the final decision will be made by a panel of experts and residents, to avoid as Kevin said, names like"Pink Triangle" I personnally don't like that name pink triangle, but i feel it's much better then wedge. But regardless what the name is, if that is what the majority of residents likes, then that's the final decision. We have to live with it. This should be the residents choice, not a panel of experts, if the experts feel they like to give an opinion, thats' great. But the democratic way, like in any voting situation, the majority wins. Final decision and the last word should come from residents.
I seen the yellow signs around the neighbourhood, asking residents to vote and pick a name for the neighbourhood. Then we turn around and say well thanks but, you don't have the last say the panel does. This is not fair and democratic. Jack
Should be interesting. Looking forward to hearing the for-and-against discussions about various names.
Also, voting starts immediately after the meeting. You can vote in person at the meeting or at the Perth-Dupont library, or online at the Fuzzy Boundaries website (voting form will be enabled later tonight).
Our area has a few ex Bamboo staff like me kicking around and I still enjoy this food as much as I did the first time I tried it .One of the most popular items at the 'Boo were the satays so here is one of my favourites. The great thing about this list is you can swap out or adapt to your taste with ease. (I play down the sugar and boost the mustard powder and cumin.) Read to the end as there are two important tips I have added that will be of help.
2 lb chicken beef or pork
1 TBSP paprika
1 TSP salt (I use a pinch)
1/2 TBSP turmeric
1TBSP ground coriander
1 TBSP ground cumin
1/2 TBSP ground ginger (I use fresh minced)
1TBSP garlic powder
1/2 TBSP mustard powder
1 TSP cinnamon
1 TSP allspice
1TSP black pepper
1TBSP cayenne
2TBSP white sugar (see below)
2 TBSP memmi or teriyaki sauce (I skip the sugar above and make my own teriyaki with soy and brown sugar)
2 TBSP Thai fish sauce
1/4 cup lemon juice
2 TBSP oyster sauce
3 garlic cloves chopped or minced
1/4 cup vegetable oil
bamboo skewers soaked in water
1. For chicken , skin and debone the meat. You may use chicken breasts, although legs and thighs will be more tender. For beef, use flank steak, boneless round or similar cut. For pork, use boneless pork shoulder or tenderloin. Cut desired meat into 2 inch pieces and set aside.
2. Combine dry ingredients, then add remaining ingredients (excluding meat) and mix well. Pour over meat and refrigerate, covered, for at least 4 hours, or better, overnight. Place 2-3 pieces of meat on each skewer and grill on a hot BBQ for 10-15 minutes for chicken and pork, and 5 minutes for beef. You can also broil the satays in your oven.
The satays should always be served with war peanut sauce and something cold and crunchy as they can be quite spicy. We reccommend serving appetizer satays with shrimp chips and oranges and dinner satays with Gado Gado salad and steamed jasmine rice. Try a cool cucumber salad, coleslaw, watermelon slices or a cold beansprout salad.The satays are delicious cold as well and can spice up a caesar salad or make a great pita.
The satays will keep for 3 days uncooked in an air tight container in the fridge or can be frozen for up to 4 months. Cooked satays will keep up to 5 days refrigerated, and can be frozen for up to 6 months. They can be reheated in the oven.
Are you hungry now?
Here are some other tips or ideas based on this formula.
1. Always take your marinade to the meat. Never the other way. You pour it in and mix as needed and what often happens is that you will have some clean un-meat-contaminated marinade left that can be used up in other ways. If you take your meat to the marinade then you must use it all in the initial cooking as it has touched raw meat: using the leftover marinade from this method for anything else including to baste is a dangerous food contamination practice. It amazes how many people I see who don't understand this. Not only is it safer to bring the marinade to the meat, it savers you money and gives you options such as:
2. Keep that left over clean marinade (freeze it too) and you will find that it tastes great heated and poured over a side of sticky rice (which I prefer) with your satays or a completely different main. On another day if you are steaming up any of the 3 meats in a frying pan with a bit of water, throw in your left over clean marinade to spice it up.
3. Of course use that left over clean marinade as a BBQ sauce on the grill. And yes you can use this in a slow cooker.
4. I have a foodsaver thing and I pre-make and mix the marinade and meat in a big batch and freeze one or two meals in the foodsaver bag which intensifies the flavour into the meat and of course is an awesome meal ready to go. If I am really in a rush I find that cooking the mixture in a pan without the screwers is great as well and really fast.
If there is enough interest I will put up the peanut sauce recipe too.
On behalf of the festival committee, I just wanted to thank all the people that came out to volunteer their time the day of to make this event a possibility.
Stay tuned for updates regarding the 2010 festival.
We at Boo Radley's would like to thank everyone who dropped by last nite for our X-Mas Party. It was a great nite with fun had by all!!
From Michael & Shelley again
Thanks for your support!!
Boo
Yesterday, Google posted new satellite images of the Toronto area. Our neighbourhood has changed so much since the last images were posted, so it's nice to see the more current data online.
A few new things I noticed:
Railpath is completed. Old version was pre-construction, or very early construction.
NRI Factory is demolished.
General Electric factory is demolished
Tower Automotive demolition
Burnt-down houses on Franklin Ave. have been demo'd
Lots of construction action around the West Toronto Diamond grade separation project
Construction cranes at Brownstones on Wallace and Brownstones on Bloor
Former Glidden Paint site has changed, but the images were taken before it was completed
New images are taken during the summer, so everything is much more green. Easier to see which parts of the neighbourhood have a nicer tree canopy.
I was glad to see this sign go up. I've been to the website and it looks like it is for employment. The plans online say they are light industrial retail and studio/workshop lofts. And considering what is currently there, don't you think this is a good thing for the neighborhood? It also seems like a pretty good price considering you get almost 3000 square feet of loft space.
i met George at my highschool (over 10 years ago) in Bancroft, his story was painful and very "in your face" to a bunch of a teenagers, good job George!
Maybe this is a better idea
Irmina,
My proposal was just a feeler and by no means a perfect plan. And of course its a lot of work. My intent was to try and move the yardsticks and see if anybody else has any ideas about making this process better.
As somebody who ran a large community festival for 3 years I understand how tiring this stuff is and everybody is a critic, in this case I am the critic. So thank you and the FB folk for all the time you have invested.
1.What if you just extended the nomination a week so we can all send extra emails out to get as many names nominated and as many involved.
2.Announce the panel who will reduce the names to a workable 3 top names (they would exclude any name that there is legal issues with or is a joke name or is unworkable (like 78 letters long) based on their experience, and of course there would be locals on the panel too.
3. Then have a community vote, in order of preference, on those 3 names. The names use a weighted system and a winner is announced. This vote happens in March the same way the nominations are happening right now. You add in some help from the councilor to distribute and publicize the second vote and you ask for volunteers to "talk to their block" to get people out for the vote.
This is the simplest version I can think of where residents will actually pick the name.
In this simple version you have have improved the vote and possibly the numbers of voters without scrapping any of the work done to date.If FB could bend in this direction Naomi and I would be the first to commit to canvassing our block for a second vote and to sit on a volunteer committee to make sure that every block gets canvassed.
Thank you for your very detailed input Scott. I am honestly getting fuzzed out and reading your long list of suggestions, my question is who will want to take your suggestions and make them happen? I am seriously thinking that I've done my fair share thus far and will be very happy to let others take over and run with your suggestions?
Will you be willing to do the extra work for make your list of suggestions happen more "democratically" if you feel the current process is so unfair? As you say, more volunteers are needed.
Getting fuzzed out.
A Democratic Proposal
I too would like to propose a simple, fair, and transparent voting process that can take over from where FB is now; making good on the good work that FB has done so far, but ensuring that the community actually get to directly vote on a name. The current process, of which the jury part is still unknown to the community, is not a democratic voting process but that doesn’t mean a fair naming process cant happen this year. It will take some more work but doing the right thing always does.
1.The current nomination process should be scrapped. Fuzzy Boundaries continues but FB will need help and a call for volunteers will have to go out and some people who don’t agree are going to have to get along to make this process as inclusive as FB says it wants to be, and as its critics say they want it to be. Bitching stops, hard work begins.
2. An expert in votes and plebiscites (probably from U of T) joins the process to iron out the details according to standard democratic procedure. All details will be hammered out with the aid of the Councilor and all details will be posted online in ADVANCE of any nomination or voting. Our expert will be available should any other kinks be detected. The over-riding governing principal will be: how do we make sure that as many residents as possible have the opportunity to nominate and then vote. Any meeting will have minutes taken that are publicly available.
3. A series of new nomination ballots be distributed using the help of the Councilor.
--each ballot requires a name and address and phone number to be considered valid. The ballot will have a link to an information privacy statement posted on the FB site, and have disclaimer that no personal information will be private and not used for any other purpose.
--Each ballot asks for 3 choices in order of preference; a far superior system of reaching a consensus view of a community opinion than the standard “first past the post system”.
-- An online ballot version with the same rules is available
--The nominations are added up using the standard “weighted” system and made public
4. A further meeting is held in September that may include experts, politicians, in addition to the residents. The purpose of this meeting is to discuss the results, advocate in a fun way for choices, to vote out any names that are offensive, intended as a joke, or counter to naming. As well this meeting would serve as a pep rally for volunteers to publicize the later vote including activities like:
-- actual volunteers going door to door to talk with neighbours on their block until EVERY single block has been contacted directly
-- posters and flyer drop offs in stores and local community gathering places, aided by the Councillor
-- a drive for volunteers to staff the election
5. A Real Vote
It is logical to take advantage of the existing fall election to provide opportunity for as many people as possible to vote on a name. The drama of an existing election campaign will create additional interest in the naming vote and possibly draw local candidates into the debate.
-- A series of voting stations are setup in existing polling stations in our naming area.
--Each completed ballot requires a name and address and phone number to be considered valid. The ballot will have a link to a information privacy statement posted on the FB site, and have disclaimer that no personal information will be private and not used for any other purpose.
--Ballots contain the 5 most popular valid names from the nomination. This ballot, and the names, will already have been displayed on the website.
--Voters select 3 of the 5 in order of preference, again for a more consensual result. The results are weighted according to these preferences just like many other votes and plebiscites.
--Ballots will remain uncounted until the voting is over. Results would be known on election night and publicized.
--The winner is announced
The bottom line with this plan is that all the good work of FB would be recognized AND everybody could feel good that residents actually hand a direct hand in the vote naming the community they live in. I recognize that under no process will 100% of people vote and that there will be some people unhappy no matter what happens. But I don’t want to take the easy route out by using the “well most people don’t care” excuse. I don’t want to feel that some residents had more of a say than others and that the majority had no say at all. I would rather live by the choice of my fellow residents than some un-named jury entirely sponsored by the Real Estate industry. I frankly don’t want to hear bitching about the process/name for the next 30 years because we didn’t try to make this process as democratic as it should be.
A year ago Fuzzy Boundaries said “We are not out to name the neighbourhood ourselves, but to inspire the community to choose a name...”
A direct vote process like this makes it so. Or somebody else’s direct vote plan makes it so. Why would anybody be against letting the community decide?
Does anybody else out there have any ideas to make this process democratic ?
The number one cause of childhood death in Ontario for children aged 7-19 is motor vehicles:
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/providers/pub/phero/pdf/2002/phero_0...
(Figure 2)
Same thing in the United States:
http://www.childdeathreview.org/causesMV.htm
This does not even take into account the number of deaths caused by air pollution in our city, much of which is the direct result of motor vehicle exhaust: "A 2004 study conducted by Toronto Public Health estimated that about 1,700 premature deaths each year in Toronto are attributable to acute and chronic exposures to five common air pollutants."
http://www.toronto.ca/health/hphe/pdf/boh_combined_impact_smog_and_heat.pdf
As a neighbourhood, and society in general, we would fare better ridding ourselves of our biggest killers first. How about we fight against the automotive-supporting industries in that plaza and elsewhere in our neighbourhood first? Having these types of industries anywhere near schools should be an outrage. Let's get rid of them first, then we could walk to the LCBO without choking on exhaust or worrying about getting schmucked by a motor vehicle. :)
oh , by the way kevin from what we have heard its not a rumor,
btw rumour is that the LLCBO was kicked out of cross-ways when their lease ended because crossways management had enough of all the drunks pan handling , lying around , and urinating in doorways etc...the smell did get quite bad ...
yes lots of kids near by, but also that coffee shop is a major hangout for drug dealers, some of the major drug dealers in the region do business out of that coffee shop.
so drugs and booze right next to a catholic school, its too bad.
he trained at the lansdowne boxing club across from the strip club on bloor,
his son teaches or used to teach at western tech i think?
I think sheddan should be included in any of the names selected for the neighbourhood in honour of it's history.
George Chuvalo didn't quite live in the area he lived on a small street call Laughton Ave. just before Davenport Rd. My family before they moved to were I now live also lived on Laughton. George and my youngest brother went to Humberside they were classmates. He was always at my house and we watched his career over the years and his heart breaks. My parents new his parents well.
He worked at Royce-Dupont Poultry Packers and Irv Ungerman was his promoter not manager. Not to sure who managed him then. He has remarried to a wanderful women and his wife now manages his business. He now does a lot a public speaking at schools were he hopes to make a difference in a young person's life were drugs are concerned. When his wife and George are together you can see he is totaly devoted to her and she is the same towards him. They now live in Etobicoke and have been married over 10 years now.
My son who owns his own media business has worked with George. When George realized who my son was, he was over the moon and wanted to know everything about my family and how they were doing. My son has often talked of George talking about the old times that he has with my brothers and at my house. I hope that helps clarify some of the missing links.
On one occation, I was on a date with a guy I realy didn't want to be with. My brother and George were talking on the phone that night My brother mentioned to George that I was out on a date with someone my brother didn't like and he was concerned for my safety so they desided to come to the restaurant were we were having dinner. George and my brother went up to our table in a intimidating way and asked if my date was treating me OK. I said we were fine and George said they would be sitting at one of the tables if I should need them. My date asked who that person was and I told him he was my bodygaurd. That was my first and thank God my last date with that guy.
I hope that answeres your question for now.
I feel that there needs to be a better balance between hockey and family/pleasure skating on the Campbell ice rink. Specifically, the time given to both sports ought to be shared equally. After all, we all pay taxes. It is ridiculous that family skating is only once per week for a couple of hours.
Scott thank you for saying what I have been thinking. Let's go back to the begining when the group first formed. You relied on the web to get your message across. But you forgot one thing not everyone knew about the web-sit or the group. Not everyone has a computor and you have people who don't read English. Somehow you need to connect with the masses. The correct way to have done it by distributing flyers to all residence of the Junction Triangle. The boundaries are the rail tracks north of Dupont. The tracks to the west and east and Bloor to the south. I never got any yellow postcard annoucing the vote that some got south of Wallace. I know many residence north of Dupont, and they never heard of the group or any meetings.
I know a project such as this is laborious, but if done correctly can pay off in the end. The group needs to reach out to all residence in the community with a flyer's, and community newspaper coverage announcing who you are and what you want to atchieve. Hold a few general meetings. At your last meeting, ask residence to come up with names. Vote on say the 5 most popular names then announce when the vote will take place. Out of fairness every household in the community should get a postcard with the date the vote will be held (the vote should be one day not spread over a week). In the end the vote is counted and the name with the most votes wins the election.
I have a real problem with people casting their vote and then a pannel of people sifts through all the vote and they pick out a name not the residence. Some of the people I have spoken to have great objection to that method. Third world countries vote in that way so they can stack the government with their people. In a democratic society such as ours, we vote and in the end our vote counts. I am not comfortable with the way this is being handled.
I hope you reconsider they way you are going about this process. I have no objection to the naming of the community as long as it is far and above board.
adding more 'upscale' (from the point of view of price range, not design quality) accommodation, when what the City needs is affordable (and mixed) housing, makes no sense. And i thought this was "employment land".
to anyone considering this project, i would suggest having a good close look at MetroLinx plan for removing the Go track diamond @ Dupont/Lansdowne; one of the planned options would close Wallace, dead ending it at the tracks (right beside "Wallace Industrial Lofts").
Not to be a stickler for details and Vic I can personally vouch that you are an honest person but I would like to clarify that your statement
"If you came to any of the three public meetings where the process was discussed and continually approved by the attendees".
By the third meeting the process was already underway so it doesn't count.
I was at 2 other meetings and at the first there was general talk about the process from Kevin and then at the second Bruce Ward talked about the process in more detail. In neither case was there a vote on the process. What you are actually saying is that at 2 meeting there were no objections. But I can speak for myself and say that I personally talked with all members of the FB group with concerns about the process including yourself over the last year, some of the same concerns that are starting to be voiced.
In terms of the website, the process as described is a year after the initial meeting is still lacking in information about who the "experts" are, how they are chosen, and how their process will work. I accept that a panel will develop their own procedures but at this point most of the panel process remains unknown to the public and the panels methodology has never been presented to the public.
I would also point out that I have seen writings that clearly state the intent; "where community members will name their ’hood — once and for all." and can understand where even community members who support a new name would have difficulty reconciling the current process as far as it is known and that kind of statement. Saying "Even if the panel chooses a name that people don't like, nobody is forced to use it" seems to be a cop out. Why be scared of revising the process to actually get as many people as possible voting on an actual name?
I support the naming project and the good it has done but I suggest that the FB group might want to reconsider the process in light of some of the complaints or at least clear up some aspects of the process (like who is on the panel) before proceeding. In the end a vote on a specific name, or 3 names, by as many locals as possible would make the most people happy.
Vic, Yesterday was the first time I heard that the name will be choosen by other then the majority(residents). The other thing is regardless if I attend the meetings or not, there are many who live in the catchment area, about 15,000 strong who didn't attend the meetings but still have a voice, it's called fairness, giving all a voice.
Vic, you can't advertise and tell people to vote for a name for their community and then say, sorry the final decision will be made by a panel. The final word and decision should be made by residents and residents only, just like the way we elect politicians, the ones with the more votes wins, regardless if we like the person or not, you live with it. The process should apply the same.
The other thing is why go through all this, then turn around and say, well people can call this community what they want. What about promoting, identy and the other stuff we heard and read in the media. I thought the whole objective according to Kevin/Fuzzy was to give the community a name, so everyone will known where they live. To me I like the Junction Triangle, but what ever the majority chooses, we live with it. Jack
The process has been set since at least May 2009. Why are you bringing it up just now?
If you came to any of the three public meetings where the process was discussed and continually approved by the attendees, you could have made your objections known. The process has been documented on the Fuzzy Boundaries website for many months.
http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/NamingProcess
In the end, it's entirely up to the residents. Even if the panel chooses a name that people don't like, nobody is forced to use it. You can keep calling it Junction Triangle. A certain developer can keep calling it Davenport Village. Some people will keep calling us The Junction. Some silly real estate agents will even continue calling this Bloor West Village. People who like excessively long names can continue using the City's official "Dovercourt Wallace Emerson Junction" name.
Cheers,
Vic
I am not sure if what the paper wrote in the community news, NEIGHBOURS as been correct. As a resident of this community I have a concern on how the name is choosen, if what the paper is saying to been correct, there is a problem. It was quoted in the paper that the final decision will be made by a panel of experts and residents, to avoid as Kevin said, names like"Pink Triangle" I personnally don't like that name pink triangle, but i feel it's much better then wedge. But regardless what the name is, if that is what the majority of residents likes, then that's the final decision. We have to live with it. This should be the residents choice, not a panel of experts, if the experts feel they like to give an opinion, thats' great. But the democratic way, like in any voting situation, the majority wins. Final decision and the last word should come from residents.
I seen the yellow signs around the neighbourhood, asking residents to vote and pick a name for the neighbourhood. Then we turn around and say well thanks but, you don't have the last say the panel does. This is not fair and democratic. Jack
Should be interesting. Looking forward to hearing the for-and-against discussions about various names.
Also, voting starts immediately after the meeting. You can vote in person at the meeting or at the Perth-Dupont library, or online at the Fuzzy Boundaries website (voting form will be enabled later tonight).
Ballot boxes close on January 29th.
In today's 24 Hours, Thien Nuynh has an article / interview with Adam Giambrone. Here's a quote from the end of the article:
You can read the 24 Hours paper online in a very annoying full-page view format. This article is on page 4.
The famous tastes of the Bamboo on Queen live on in this fun cookbook which can still be found online:
http://www.amazon.ca/Ramboo-Cooks-Richard-OBrien/dp/0679308377/ref=sr_1_...
Our area has a few ex Bamboo staff like me kicking around and I still enjoy this food as much as I did the first time I tried it .One of the most popular items at the 'Boo were the satays so here is one of my favourites. The great thing about this list is you can swap out or adapt to your taste with ease. (I play down the sugar and boost the mustard powder and cumin.) Read to the end as there are two important tips I have added that will be of help.
2 lb chicken beef or pork
1 TBSP paprika
1 TSP salt (I use a pinch)
1/2 TBSP turmeric
1TBSP ground coriander
1 TBSP ground cumin
1/2 TBSP ground ginger (I use fresh minced)
1TBSP garlic powder
1/2 TBSP mustard powder
1 TSP cinnamon
1 TSP allspice
1TSP black pepper
1TBSP cayenne
2TBSP white sugar (see below)
2 TBSP memmi or teriyaki sauce (I skip the sugar above and make my own teriyaki with soy and brown sugar)
2 TBSP Thai fish sauce
1/4 cup lemon juice
2 TBSP oyster sauce
3 garlic cloves chopped or minced
1/4 cup vegetable oil
bamboo skewers soaked in water
1. For chicken , skin and debone the meat. You may use chicken breasts, although legs and thighs will be more tender. For beef, use flank steak, boneless round or similar cut. For pork, use boneless pork shoulder or tenderloin. Cut desired meat into 2 inch pieces and set aside.
2. Combine dry ingredients, then add remaining ingredients (excluding meat) and mix well. Pour over meat and refrigerate, covered, for at least 4 hours, or better, overnight. Place 2-3 pieces of meat on each skewer and grill on a hot BBQ for 10-15 minutes for chicken and pork, and 5 minutes for beef. You can also broil the satays in your oven.
The satays should always be served with war peanut sauce and something cold and crunchy as they can be quite spicy. We reccommend serving appetizer satays with shrimp chips and oranges and dinner satays with Gado Gado salad and steamed jasmine rice. Try a cool cucumber salad, coleslaw, watermelon slices or a cold beansprout salad.The satays are delicious cold as well and can spice up a caesar salad or make a great pita.
The satays will keep for 3 days uncooked in an air tight container in the fridge or can be frozen for up to 4 months. Cooked satays will keep up to 5 days refrigerated, and can be frozen for up to 6 months. They can be reheated in the oven.
Are you hungry now?
Here are some other tips or ideas based on this formula.
1. Always take your marinade to the meat. Never the other way. You pour it in and mix as needed and what often happens is that you will have some clean un-meat-contaminated marinade left that can be used up in other ways. If you take your meat to the marinade then you must use it all in the initial cooking as it has touched raw meat: using the leftover marinade from this method for anything else including to baste is a dangerous food contamination practice. It amazes how many people I see who don't understand this. Not only is it safer to bring the marinade to the meat, it savers you money and gives you options such as:
2. Keep that left over clean marinade (freeze it too) and you will find that it tastes great heated and poured over a side of sticky rice (which I prefer) with your satays or a completely different main. On another day if you are steaming up any of the 3 meats in a frying pan with a bit of water, throw in your left over clean marinade to spice it up.
3. Of course use that left over clean marinade as a BBQ sauce on the grill. And yes you can use this in a slow cooker.
4. I have a foodsaver thing and I pre-make and mix the marinade and meat in a big batch and freeze one or two meals in the foodsaver bag which intensifies the flavour into the meat and of course is an awesome meal ready to go. If I am really in a rush I find that cooking the mixture in a pan without the screwers is great as well and really fast.
If there is enough interest I will put up the peanut sauce recipe too.
On behalf of the festival committee, I just wanted to thank all the people that came out to volunteer their time the day of to make this event a possibility.
Stay tuned for updates regarding the 2010 festival.
Carla Arruda
We at Boo Radley's would like to thank everyone who dropped by last nite for our X-Mas Party. It was a great nite with fun had by all!!
From Michael & Shelley again
Thanks for your support!!
Boo
The Villager / Inside Toronto had an article this week:
http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/219371--lcbo-announces-n...
Yesterday, Google posted new satellite images of the Toronto area. Our neighbourhood has changed so much since the last images were posted, so it's nice to see the more current data online.
A few new things I noticed:
Anything else?