On the news the other night somebody said that the City was dreaming if they thought industry was going to stay in the downtown core.We have land in our area that has been empty since the 1980's and no industry has decided to come back and yet the City Planning Department thinks that it will. They are nice enough folks but they do know its 2012 right? The kind of commercial interests of the future, the business that want to come to our area are like Ubisoft ; they want vibrant mixed communities to situate themselves in. The days of industrial park facilities in the downtown is gone. To pretend otherwise is foolhardly and for every factory that remains 100 have gone. Its done.
Think of the land on the north side of Wallace. Pittsburgh Paints sat on that land for years and nobody wanted it except for residential developers. And what is going up? A compromise that is mixed use and light commercial. Exactly what Castlepoint is proposing. So why can one employment area be changed and one a few blocks away not? Why shoul one part of our community be reinvigorated and another stuck in the 1950's?
The Planning Department cherry picks the Provincial Policy Statement which also lists as a guideline "b)providing opportunities for a diversified economic base, including maintaining a range and choice of suitable sites for employment uses which support a wide range of economic activities and ancillary uses, and take into account the needs of existing and future businesses;" That sounds like mixed use to me given that Castlepoint's proposal will bring more jobs to the area than there is currently and create a diverse economic community. And Castlepoints proposal also pays heed to the provinces desire to intensify within the Green Belt. Single story low density dead zone or high density taxpaying residences and business that conform to the Provinces Green Plan? Kinda sad that the question has to even be posed.
The oddest thing will be the OMB hearing that is inevitable. Usually communities go to the OMB to fight developers but in this case the community will be at the OMB fighting the City Planning Department. Great optics that will have.
Thank you for all the "thank you's", it was my first year and I think it's a wonderful community event that brings everyone together. Everyone was so thankful and it truly touched my heart to do something like this for our neighbourhood. Despite the cold last evening, it was a great gathering and it was really nice meeting some of you and your kids!
Shelley, thanks for keeping the pumpkin lighting going for 7 years and the yummy apple cider, it was a pleasure to meet you face to face!
City staff are recommending that the proposal be rejected: http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2012.PG19.6
One of the reasons they cite for not supporting it is their assertion that "the proposal would destabilize an employment area which contains a variety of viable and successful businesses." Can only really think of one business there, the rest are gone, the area is dead.
I hope Nestle continues to prosper there, but I also hope this development goes through to bring some much needed activity, and jobs, to the area.
Christie's bakery is to close, at the behest of the parent company.
The Star has likened the issue to the Nestlé matter, and truly might highlight the underlying reason. Christie's parent company sees the sizable plant & huge parking space as underutilized land that has become very valuable land since the local condo boom, and it is either trying to rezone the land residential to sell it or to develop it themselves for a sizable profit. Either way, it's dollars & sense.
These corporations can mask their own intentions, and financial goals, looking at there ballooning assets and balance sheets, while making local development the scapegoat in-order to displace or dismiss employees, "innocently" trying to play the "victim"
Nestlé employees ought to check the motives of their employer....
Mr. Christie’s Bakery in Etobicoke set to close, throwing 550 out of work http://bit.ly/QXyyhF
I was going to post a little summary, but Ana Bailao just sent out an email with a link to notes, presentation slides, etc:
Dear Planning Town Hall Participant,
Thank you demonstrating your interest in the future of our area and for your attendance at the Ward 18 Planning Town Hall on October 27th, 2012.
This well attended town hall showed once again that we are a community that's attentive, that's informed and that wants to participate in the issues that affect us.
I wanted you to be among the first to know that I have posted the Planning Town Hall Recap online.
Please take the time to review and share these materials and if you have any further questions or comments feel free to contact my office.
Thank you once again for your participation and I look forward to your ongoing involvement in the Ward 18 planning process.
Sincerely,
Ana Bailão
City Councillor
Ward 18, Davenport
? councillor_bailao@toronto.ca ( (416) 392-7012 Â www.AnaBailao.ca
Hi there! I am a west end resident, in the Corso Italia neighbourhood. I love this idea and was wondering how one would go up setting something up like in our local park (Earlscourt)?
We are so happy to know this event can take place again this year.
If it is raining, we hope the community will still stop by under cover of umbrellas, to enjoy a cup of hot cider while we all marvel at the creative artistry of the pumpkins. Last year, we finally hit the 100 pumpkin mark...looking forward to seeing how many we'll get this year!
Meanwhile, donations continue to be gratefully accepted to cover the cost of next year's permit. Our thanks again to Alexandra.
Dear Parent(s),
This is my reference letter for Brenda and Maria RECE of Serendipity Play and Learn Childcare Providers (SPALCP).
Brenda and Maria have been providing care to our child since September 2011, and so far they have been delivering on everything they said they would in their philosophy, policies, etc.
I am happy to say that I have peace of mind when leaving my child in their care, because I know that during that time my child will:
-Be treated with loving kindness and respect
-Eat well-balanced, nutritious, homemade meals and snacks
-Actively participate/be engaged in circle time with music/songs, puppets, educational books and toys
-Play with their friends in a safe environment; clean, organized, well-supervised
-Get outside for some fresh air; play at a nearby park or enjoy a ride in the stroller
-Have designated quiet time for a good daily nap
-Experience other structured learning activities in group, independent and/or one-on-one settings which have included cultural days, cooking experiences, library excursions, craft-making
-Come home to Mommy and Daddy happy, calm, "just washed up" and/or smiling!
Aside from creating a warm, inviting atmoshere, the Childcare Providers have been good listeners and communicators along the way. I have appreciated their knowledge and expertise as RECEs (which they share gladly), the way they maintain daily routines (such as potty training), organize and run age-appropriate curriculum - providing us with quarterly newletters and a monthly program of events. They have implemented rules fairly and with positive reinforcement/redirection. Last, but certainly not least, they are dedicated to following health and safety regulations and overall hold themselves accountable to a very high standard of quality childcare.
I found out about SPALCP quite by chance, when I was a new (first-time) Mom, fearful and apprehensive about leaving my child with anyoneand fast-approaching the end of a one-year mat leave. And even though I still miss my child dearly at times, now when I think of my child I have the reassurance that my child is in good, capable hands, gaining independence and learning social skills, while I do what I need to help provide for our young family and keep my skills relevant in today's challenging work world.
I wish you all the best in your childcare search - Serendipity has proven to be the right place for us! A truly serendipitous experience!"
Thanks to everyone who came out in the rain today for the First Annual Junction Triangle Halloween Pumpkin Sale. Despite the weather our event was a big success. We sold out of pumpkins and raised close to a thousand dollars for the library. Pretty awesome and hard not to think we live in a great neighbourhood.
I walked by there in the early stages of its demo and on the door it had a liquor license for an establishment called "the Emerson"...i assume we are looking at a bar/resto...and yes, the renos look fabulous!
Regardless of the weather on Saturday, the First Annual Junction Triangle Halloween Pumpkin Sale will be happening. If you're in the market for a pumpkin, please join us between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. in Perth Square Park. We're offering all large pumpkins for $10 each. All proceeds to the Perth/Dupont Library Expansion Fund.
Thanks for posting this. I also saw this article and would like to get more information. I agree that the article seemed somwehat of scare tactic, but I do find it concerning that residents in the area (notably Davenport Village) were at least not made aware of what takes place there.
Why wait for a date.. honetly as i expressed it to a friend. This cafe seems to be a haven for well adjusted individuals. Just come on down and strike a conversation with all the local folks!
Yes I agree, this poster is 100% inaccurate about urban trends going on across North America. People are moving downtown and mixed use live/work communities is where it is at. It is worth nothing that this mixed use development will bring, at the end, 2000 new workers to the area, many who may actually chose to live in the development or the JT area.
Over the past 20 years at least 10 industrial operators in the JT area have left due to bankruptcy, consolidation, NAFTA, mitigation costs among the many reasons. A quick Google search under the term "Nestle closes plant" reveals that they too open, move, and often close plants all over the world for market reasons that have nothing to do with the locales in which the plants operate. If they can do it in Zimbabwe, Colorado, England, and China then they can do it here. To imply that Nestle has some kind of special relationship to JT is malarkey and one would be a fool to believe it.
The JT has suffered years of empty brownfields and lost jobs and now we see new jobs and new residential density reshaping and invigorating the area.It is going to happen regardless and people have the opportunity to work with it or be left behind.
After 8 public meetings, countless consultations, newspaper stories, applications to the City, web postings, flyers from Bailao and City Planning going on for years it is a sad testament to Nestle that this is all news to them. So much for being connected to the community. So connected in fact that their response was to hire a supposedly slick PR company to harass, mislead, and stir up opposition with robo calls and "negative ad" style flyers that tried to divide the community and make the false choice between jobs and homes. There is no choice, in a modern city jobs and homes will mix and we see this already all over the city; we already see this in our community with Ubisoft. Nestle's aggressive PR moves in my opinion are a low point in our community's history and I urge them to stop now.
I have spent a large amount of time hearing about this project and I have never ever heard anybody suggest that Nestle should leave and I have never ever seen the Castlepoint people back away from sitting down to work out issues with those that might have a problem with their project. Not everyone is going to be 100% happy but at least they have been heard out.Castlepoint made an offer to Nestle last night that could help everybody be happy. Nestle's brass should take that opportunity, leave the fear mongering behind, and work with the community instead of against it.
I attended the Castlepoint meeting (Sterling Rd Toronto, proposed development meeting) last night and once again was highly disappointed by the way nestle is handling this matter.
You'd think that after they fumbled with their unsolicited leaflet mailing, door knocking, "robo-call" style propaganda throughout our neighbourhood, they would have realized the gross error. But then to have the PR person come and spew more falsehoods and misrepresent information to Us, in our faces, the very people they pretend to speak for, as if we do not already know what we want and what our neighours also want, smells like contempt.
Castlepoint came and Asked Us, sought Our input, for 3 years....and acted on it...... They didn't come and tell us what we want or misrepresent us to the city planners or to our face, as nestle has clearly done.
Then to have their area resident/employees, finally,,,, also attend and speak against the development is one thing. But the way in which they consistently and abruptly interrupted speakers and rudely interject, loudly, at inappropriate times, was in very very bad taste and turned the environment hostile at times.
That was not the environment prior to there involvement, nor the space I wanted to be a part of. And considering my initial opinion about Nestlé involvement, PRIOR to last nights display, it was very much desired.
But after last nights antics, unprofessional etiquette and dramatic public image display, I'm left with a view of nestle as a brash and irresponsible corporate-neighbour.
Sadly, I've lost a lot of respect for a company I once admired. Admired namely because I once worked for them on a summer job while a high school senior saving for university.
Jobs move for a host of different reasons, and many years ago One of the reasons they moved to suburbs was the affordable land and many new young families, making it closer to commute.
Well the reverse is and already HAS been occurring in Toronto for many years now, where companies who went to suburbs 30-40yrs ago now want to move back into the city and namely the core or close to rapid public transit.
Because.... For exactly the same reason, most young people and young families are moving back into city or trying to buy homes/condos in city (because of lifestyle choice, walk-ability, close entertainment, good public transit, vibrancy etc etc), and these companies see them as the their ideal future employees (young, energetic, recent graduates, tech savy, full of new ideas to lead company etc). Go-figure why there is a housing boom spurring a condo/townhouse craze, then coupled with the lowest commercial real-estate availability in the city core, unseen in decades and risk of demand far beyond the supply for the next 5-10yrs unless serious building of commercial space starts to occur.
So your argument that the trend of moving towards the suburbs will occur again, is false, industry and I am speaking of new industry is racing back into the city core, what would be nice is if the older industries like nestle stop trying to fight the change and accept that change is inevitable and renewal necessary.
Funny thing is 40-50yrs ago the now seniors still living within the city thought those people and industry that fled to suburbs causing the traffic chaos we now face and urban sprawl were crazy
Now a more informed society sees the gross mistake made during that era and see the need to fix it.
Where has Nestle been over the last 3 years of public meetings and private consultations with Castlepoint?
Three years ago development was for studios for the film industry. Nestle didn't have an issue with that.
Didn't people build homes in this area because of the jobs that were near? I live and work in Toronto because I don't want to travel an hour each way to get to work. It's becoming a massive problem (and waste of time and energy) to transport people to and from work.
When gas prices get to $1.50 or $2 people will move out of Toronto to where the work is closer, then the condos will become the new white elephants. Just wait, it's been predicted in 5 to7 years.
184 condos under construction, developers want to get in, get out fast. They aren't thinking about the long term success of Toronto.
On the news the other night somebody said that the City was dreaming if they thought industry was going to stay in the downtown core.We have land in our area that has been empty since the 1980's and no industry has decided to come back and yet the City Planning Department thinks that it will. They are nice enough folks but they do know its 2012 right? The kind of commercial interests of the future, the business that want to come to our area are like Ubisoft ; they want vibrant mixed communities to situate themselves in. The days of industrial park facilities in the downtown is gone. To pretend otherwise is foolhardly and for every factory that remains 100 have gone. Its done.
Think of the land on the north side of Wallace. Pittsburgh Paints sat on that land for years and nobody wanted it except for residential developers. And what is going up? A compromise that is mixed use and light commercial. Exactly what Castlepoint is proposing. So why can one employment area be changed and one a few blocks away not? Why shoul one part of our community be reinvigorated and another stuck in the 1950's?
The Planning Department cherry picks the Provincial Policy Statement which also lists as a guideline "b)providing opportunities for a diversified economic base, including maintaining a range and choice of suitable sites for employment uses which support a wide range of economic activities and ancillary uses, and take into account the needs of existing and future businesses;" That sounds like mixed use to me given that Castlepoint's proposal will bring more jobs to the area than there is currently and create a diverse economic community. And Castlepoints proposal also pays heed to the provinces desire to intensify within the Green Belt. Single story low density dead zone or high density taxpaying residences and business that conform to the Provinces Green Plan? Kinda sad that the question has to even be posed.
The oddest thing will be the OMB hearing that is inevitable. Usually communities go to the OMB to fight developers but in this case the community will be at the OMB fighting the City Planning Department. Great optics that will have.
Thank you for all the "thank you's", it was my first year and I think it's a wonderful community event that brings everyone together. Everyone was so thankful and it truly touched my heart to do something like this for our neighbourhood. Despite the cold last evening, it was a great gathering and it was really nice meeting some of you and your kids!
Shelley, thanks for keeping the pumpkin lighting going for 7 years and the yummy apple cider, it was a pleasure to meet you face to face!
City staff are recommending that the proposal be rejected: http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2012.PG19.6
One of the reasons they cite for not supporting it is their assertion that "the proposal would destabilize an employment area which contains a variety of viable and successful businesses." Can only really think of one business there, the rest are gone, the area is dead.
I hope Nestle continues to prosper there, but I also hope this development goes through to bring some much needed activity, and jobs, to the area.
Christie's bakery is to close, at the behest of the parent company.
The Star has likened the issue to the Nestlé matter, and truly might highlight the underlying reason. Christie's parent company sees the sizable plant & huge parking space as underutilized land that has become very valuable land since the local condo boom, and it is either trying to rezone the land residential to sell it or to develop it themselves for a sizable profit. Either way, it's dollars & sense.
These corporations can mask their own intentions, and financial goals, looking at there ballooning assets and balance sheets, while making local development the scapegoat in-order to displace or dismiss employees, "innocently" trying to play the "victim"
Nestlé employees ought to check the motives of their employer....
Mr. Christie’s Bakery in Etobicoke set to close, throwing 550 out of work
http://bit.ly/QXyyhF
I was going to post a little summary, but Ana Bailao just sent out an email with a link to notes, presentation slides, etc:
Hi there! I am a west end resident, in the Corso Italia neighbourhood. I love this idea and was wondering how one would go up setting something up like in our local park (Earlscourt)?
Did anybody get to this? Was there anything worth passing on to us?
BlogTO posted a very positive review of Cafe con Leche this morning, including some nice words about the neighbourhood.
http://www.blogto.com/cafes/cafe-con-leche-toronto
will there be a donation box thursday night for folks who would like to drop off donations for next year?
We are so happy to know this event can take place again this year.
If it is raining, we hope the community will still stop by under cover of umbrellas, to enjoy a cup of hot cider while we all marvel at the creative artistry of the pumpkins. Last year, we finally hit the 100 pumpkin mark...looking forward to seeing how many we'll get this year!
Meanwhile, donations continue to be gratefully accepted to cover the cost of next year's permit. Our thanks again to Alexandra.
Dear Parent(s),
This is my reference letter for Brenda and Maria RECE of Serendipity Play and Learn Childcare Providers (SPALCP).
Brenda and Maria have been providing care to our child since September 2011, and so far they have been delivering on everything they said they would in their philosophy, policies, etc.
I am happy to say that I have peace of mind when leaving my child in their care, because I know that during that time my child will:
-Be treated with loving kindness and respect
-Eat well-balanced, nutritious, homemade meals and snacks
-Actively participate/be engaged in circle time with music/songs, puppets, educational books and toys
-Play with their friends in a safe environment; clean, organized, well-supervised
-Get outside for some fresh air; play at a nearby park or enjoy a ride in the stroller
-Have designated quiet time for a good daily nap
-Experience other structured learning activities in group, independent and/or one-on-one settings which have included cultural days, cooking experiences, library excursions, craft-making
-Come home to Mommy and Daddy happy, calm, "just washed up" and/or smiling!
Aside from creating a warm, inviting atmoshere, the Childcare Providers have been good listeners and communicators along the way. I have appreciated their knowledge and expertise as RECEs (which they share gladly), the way they maintain daily routines (such as potty training), organize and run age-appropriate curriculum - providing us with quarterly newletters and a monthly program of events. They have implemented rules fairly and with positive reinforcement/redirection. Last, but certainly not least, they are dedicated to following health and safety regulations and overall hold themselves accountable to a very high standard of quality childcare.
I found out about SPALCP quite by chance, when I was a new (first-time) Mom, fearful and apprehensive about leaving my child with anyoneand fast-approaching the end of a one-year mat leave. And even though I still miss my child dearly at times, now when I think of my child I have the reassurance that my child is in good, capable hands, gaining independence and learning social skills, while I do what I need to help provide for our young family and keep my skills relevant in today's challenging work world.
I wish you all the best in your childcare search - Serendipity has proven to be the right place for us! A truly serendipitous experience!"
Thanks to everyone who came out in the rain today for the First Annual Junction Triangle Halloween Pumpkin Sale. Despite the weather our event was a big success. We sold out of pumpkins and raised close to a thousand dollars for the library. Pretty awesome and hard not to think we live in a great neighbourhood.
I walked by there in the early stages of its demo and on the door it had a liquor license for an establishment called "the Emerson"...i assume we are looking at a bar/resto...and yes, the renos look fabulous!
Regardless of the weather on Saturday, the First Annual Junction Triangle Halloween Pumpkin Sale will be happening. If you're in the market for a pumpkin, please join us between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. in Perth Square Park. We're offering all large pumpkins for $10 each. All proceeds to the Perth/Dupont Library Expansion Fund.
Many thanks and Happy Halloween.
I called the FUSE developer a few weeks because I was curious. It won't happen until the building is up. So we're looking at more like 2015.
There's a Facebook group about this now:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/370015163080483/
...and they have an event planned:
https://www.facebook.com/events/397186077021585/
Thanks for posting this. I also saw this article and would like to get more information. I agree that the article seemed somwehat of scare tactic, but I do find it concerning that residents in the area (notably Davenport Village) were at least not made aware of what takes place there.
Just say when. And i will be up for a game or two!
Why wait for a date.. honetly as i expressed it to a friend. This cafe seems to be a haven for well adjusted individuals. Just come on down and strike a conversation with all the local folks!
Yes I agree, this poster is 100% inaccurate about urban trends going on across North America. People are moving downtown and mixed use live/work communities is where it is at. It is worth nothing that this mixed use development will bring, at the end, 2000 new workers to the area, many who may actually chose to live in the development or the JT area.
Over the past 20 years at least 10 industrial operators in the JT area have left due to bankruptcy, consolidation, NAFTA, mitigation costs among the many reasons. A quick Google search under the term "Nestle closes plant" reveals that they too open, move, and often close plants all over the world for market reasons that have nothing to do with the locales in which the plants operate. If they can do it in Zimbabwe, Colorado, England, and China then they can do it here. To imply that Nestle has some kind of special relationship to JT is malarkey and one would be a fool to believe it.
The JT has suffered years of empty brownfields and lost jobs and now we see new jobs and new residential density reshaping and invigorating the area.It is going to happen regardless and people have the opportunity to work with it or be left behind.
After 8 public meetings, countless consultations, newspaper stories, applications to the City, web postings, flyers from Bailao and City Planning going on for years it is a sad testament to Nestle that this is all news to them. So much for being connected to the community. So connected in fact that their response was to hire a supposedly slick PR company to harass, mislead, and stir up opposition with robo calls and "negative ad" style flyers that tried to divide the community and make the false choice between jobs and homes. There is no choice, in a modern city jobs and homes will mix and we see this already all over the city; we already see this in our community with Ubisoft. Nestle's aggressive PR moves in my opinion are a low point in our community's history and I urge them to stop now.
I have spent a large amount of time hearing about this project and I have never ever heard anybody suggest that Nestle should leave and I have never ever seen the Castlepoint people back away from sitting down to work out issues with those that might have a problem with their project. Not everyone is going to be 100% happy but at least they have been heard out.Castlepoint made an offer to Nestle last night that could help everybody be happy. Nestle's brass should take that opportunity, leave the fear mongering behind, and work with the community instead of against it.
cc. VP Public Relations - Nestlé Canada
I attended the Castlepoint meeting (Sterling Rd Toronto, proposed development meeting) last night and once again was highly disappointed by the way nestle is handling this matter.
You'd think that after they fumbled with their unsolicited leaflet mailing, door knocking, "robo-call" style propaganda throughout our neighbourhood, they would have realized the gross error. But then to have the PR person come and spew more falsehoods and misrepresent information to Us, in our faces, the very people they pretend to speak for, as if we do not already know what we want and what our neighours also want, smells like contempt.
Castlepoint came and Asked Us, sought Our input, for 3 years....and acted on it...... They didn't come and tell us what we want or misrepresent us to the city planners or to our face, as nestle has clearly done.
Then to have their area resident/employees, finally,,,, also attend and speak against the development is one thing. But the way in which they consistently and abruptly interrupted speakers and rudely interject, loudly, at inappropriate times, was in very very bad taste and turned the environment hostile at times.
That was not the environment prior to there involvement, nor the space I wanted to be a part of. And considering my initial opinion about Nestlé involvement, PRIOR to last nights display, it was very much desired.
But after last nights antics, unprofessional etiquette and dramatic public image display, I'm left with a view of nestle as a brash and irresponsible corporate-neighbour.
Sadly, I've lost a lot of respect for a company I once admired. Admired namely because I once worked for them on a summer job while a high school senior saving for university.
Kori
I totally disagree,
Jobs move for a host of different reasons, and many years ago One of the reasons they moved to suburbs was the affordable land and many new young families, making it closer to commute.
Well the reverse is and already HAS been occurring in Toronto for many years now, where companies who went to suburbs 30-40yrs ago now want to move back into the city and namely the core or close to rapid public transit.
Because.... For exactly the same reason, most young people and young families are moving back into city or trying to buy homes/condos in city (because of lifestyle choice, walk-ability, close entertainment, good public transit, vibrancy etc etc), and these companies see them as the their ideal future employees (young, energetic, recent graduates, tech savy, full of new ideas to lead company etc). Go-figure why there is a housing boom spurring a condo/townhouse craze, then coupled with the lowest commercial real-estate availability in the city core, unseen in decades and risk of demand far beyond the supply for the next 5-10yrs unless serious building of commercial space starts to occur.
see Star article: http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1275573--toronto-real-estate-dem...
So your argument that the trend of moving towards the suburbs will occur again, is false, industry and I am speaking of new industry is racing back into the city core, what would be nice is if the older industries like nestle stop trying to fight the change and accept that change is inevitable and renewal necessary.
Funny thing is 40-50yrs ago the now seniors still living within the city thought those people and industry that fled to suburbs causing the traffic chaos we now face and urban sprawl were crazy
Now a more informed society sees the gross mistake made during that era and see the need to fix it.
Kori
Thank you to South Perth, Sterling Road Resident's Association for organizing tonight's public meeting. It was a lively and revealing evening.
Why not a park? Oh! No money in that idea! Sorry
Three years ago development was for studios for the film industry. Nestle didn't have an issue with that.
Didn't people build homes in this area because of the jobs that were near? I live and work in Toronto because I don't want to travel an hour each way to get to work. It's becoming a massive problem (and waste of time and energy) to transport people to and from work.
When gas prices get to $1.50 or $2 people will move out of Toronto to where the work is closer, then the condos will become the new white elephants. Just wait, it's been predicted in 5 to7 years.
184 condos under construction, developers want to get in, get out fast. They aren't thinking about the long term success of Toronto.